CalvinBall wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

wait what? werent Rs up in arms about the steps President Obama has taken opening up relations with Cuba again?

Yes, as was Trump.

Never underestimate the level of contortions that people can go through to justify their candidate's bad acts.

and to reiterate what I've been saying, this is where Trump's lack of ground game is going to be a big effect

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

wait what? werent Rs up in arms about the steps President Obama has taken opening up relations with Cuba again?

Yes, as was Trump.

Never underestimate the level of contortions that people can go through to justify their candidate's bad acts.

1. The embargo was stupid.

2. Republicans have historically been for the embargo.

3. American companies still weren't allowed to skirt US law.

People need to not think so either/or; all can be true. This isn't some kid smoking pot in PA. This is a big deal.


edit: whoops, should've read your other post Richmond

pacino wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

wait what? werent Rs up in arms about the steps President Obama has taken opening up relations with Cuba again?

Yes, as was Trump.

Never underestimate the level of contortions that people can go through to justify their candidate's bad acts.

1. The embargo was stupid.

2. Republicans have historically been for the embargo.

3. American companies still weren't allowed to skirt US law.

People need to not think so either/or; all can be true. This isn't some kid smoking pot in PA. This is a big deal.


edit: whoops, should've read your other post Richmond

No worries, I bottompaged myself.

Oh. My. God.

This aired on Univision and Telemundo during the debate Monday night.



Tecate was already my favorite (readily-available) Mexican beer, but this only solidifies it.

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:and to reiterate what I've been saying, this is where Trump's lack of ground game is going to be a big effect

I see Hillary people walking downtown (Reading) with clipboards every single day talking to people. I don't think there is a Trump office here. The demographics of people who live in center city Reading aren't in his favor but there are a lot of workers that go home to their mcmansions every night.

Youseff wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

"Democrats are the only political party where you can experience the thrill of victory and the agony of reading about it the next day."

Too true

drsmooth wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

what's your reading of the intellect on display on your timeline (what's a timeline btw)? No offense, but feels like it's .... limited

I'm with ya. Don't get this angle at all, especially from fellow liberals/lefties. Even if you think the embargo was dumb the point is that Trump broke the rules

FiveThirtyEight:

Polls Plus: Clinton - 60.7%, Trump - 39.3%
Polls Only: Clinton - 62.2%, Trump - 37.7%
Now Cast: Clinton - 69.3%, Trump - 30.7%

Ride the roller coaster.

CalvinBall wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

wait what? werent Rs up in arms about the steps President Obama has taken opening up relations with Cuba again?

Well these are leftists I think, so that makes it even more confusing

Trump asks non-Christians to identify themselves at a rally

great post in the comments section

Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get them up against the wall!
There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me,
Get him up against the wall!
That one looks Jewish!
And that one's a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint,
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I'd have all of you shot!

Pink Floyd In The Flesh, The Wall

td11 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

wait what? werent Rs up in arms about the steps President Obama has taken opening up relations with Cuba again?

Well these are leftists I think, so that makes it even more confusing

I think it's just a poorly expressed point that he is a horrible human being, not trying to minimize what this is

twitter is fun

@FloridaGOP
Was @HillaryClinton wearing an earpiece during last night’s presidential forum? Check it out: http://www.infowars.com/was-hillary-wea ... ial-forum/ … #sayfie

Trump is in Manheim Twp Saturday at 3pm. the epicenter for Republicans in Lancaster County

pacino wrote:twitter is fun

@FloridaGOP
Was @HillaryClinton wearing an earpiece during last night’s presidential forum? Check it out: http://www.infowars.com/was-hillary-wea ... ial-forum/ … #sayfie

people in this thread have yelled at me for saying the GOP base is basically Alex Jones fans, and Alex Jones represents the GOP.

Youseff wrote:

pacino wrote:twitter is fun

@FloridaGOP
Was @HillaryClinton wearing an earpiece during last night’s presidential forum? Check it out: http://www.infowars.com/was-hillary-wea ... ial-forum/ … #sayfie

people in this thread have yelled at me for saying the GOP base is basically Alex Jones fans, and Alex Jones represents the GOP.

I don't see you saying anything of the sort in this thread, and in the previous politics thread I do not see anyone disagreeing or discussing your assertion about the GOP base. I could have missed it though.

Youseff wrote:apparently the downside to JASTA is the USA might start getting sued for some of their legally gray military operations and our good friends the Sauds might start taking some money out of our economy if lawsuits expose what type of funding took place. Sounds fine, bring it on.

Well the real downside is other countries might start letting their citizens sue us in their own courts under their laws. We also have plenty of treaties that protect our citizens while they are abroad, which could also be impacted.

It basically just gets the ball rolling away from sovereign immunity. Given that America (both the country and its citizens) is more involved with other countries than any country on the planet, being the one to get that started seems pretty shortsighted.

slugsrbad wrote:

Youseff wrote:

pacino wrote:twitter is fun

@FloridaGOP
Was @HillaryClinton wearing an earpiece during last night’s presidential forum? Check it out: http://www.infowars.com/was-hillary-wea ... ial-forum/ … #sayfie

people in this thread have yelled at me for saying the GOP base is basically Alex Jones fans, and Alex Jones represents the GOP.

I don't see you saying anything of the sort in this thread, and in the previous politics thread I do not see anyone disagreeing or discussing your assertion about the GOP base. I could have missed it though.

His statement was that the majority of Republicans are conspiracy theorists. I said that was too broad of a statement, but my FB/Twitter feeds are beginning to sway me otherwise, at least as it pertains to the Clintons.

One of my nutjob rightwing family members (someone who regularly posts sketchy articles about illegal immigrants killing us all) posted a video claiming that Hillary was signalling Lester Holt during the debate when she needed to be teed up for a zinger.

Their first example of this happening was that, on a question where Trump went first, Hillary scratched her nose, and 1:00 later Lester turned to her for a response.

I didn't know whether to be endlessly amused or horrified by the level of comprehension there.

Of course, the guy also posted an article claiming that the man who picked up Hillary's notepad from the podium after the debate was instead picking up a list of The Questions being asked during the debate. The evidence was that he didn't pick up anything from Trump's podium.