Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:23:39

Soren wrote:
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pacino wrote:Gary Johnson would say we just need to boycott college and then they'd lower the cost. Simple free market, pal.


He could just follow the lead of his favorite foreign leader.


Does Ayn Rand count

Nah, she was a dirty illegal immigrant.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Soren » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:23:57

TenuredVulture wrote:If you consider what the candidates are saying, Johnson is more conservative than Trump by any meaningful standard of the conservative.

An occupy Wall Street person who is even considering a vote for Johnson is probably dumber than a typical Trump voter.


There's this subset of my mostly liberal leaning friends who loathe the establishment so much they'd rather vote for a despot or crackpot than someone they feel represents the status quo. I was accused of supporting war crimes because I won't refuse to vote for Hillary.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:25:34

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Soren wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
pacino wrote:Gary Johnson would say we just need to boycott college and then they'd lower the cost. Simple free market, pal.


He could just follow the lead of his favorite foreign leader.


Does Ayn Rand count

Nah, she was a dirty illegal immigrant.

Most libertarians are OK with immigration.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:27:34

Soren wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:If you consider what the candidates are saying, Johnson is more conservative than Trump by any meaningful standard of the conservative.

An occupy Wall Street person who is even considering a vote for Johnson is probably dumber than a typical Trump voter.


There's this subset of my mostly liberal leaning friends who loathe the establishment so much they'd rather vote for a despot or crackpot than someone they feel represents the status quo. I was accused of supporting war crimes because I won't refuse to vote for Hillary.


They should look at Johnson's record with crime and punishment. He's not even really a libertarian. He's an establishment conservative Republican who likes weed.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Youseff » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:29:29

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I can't believe that no one is talking about the new Newsweek story yet. Apparently Trump's business broke the Cuban embargo, and Trump had full knowledge of it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/14/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059.html

And for the cherry on that sundae, it happened right before he went down to South Florida and addressed Cuban interest groups while trying to drum up support for his 1999 attempt to be the Reform Party POTUS candidate.

That's gonna do wonders for his Florida numbers!


feels like it will be huge. it has enough buzz words that it should cut through the mud.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:58:50

jerseyhoya wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Soren wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
pacino wrote:Gary Johnson would say we just need to boycott college and then they'd lower the cost. Simple free market, pal.


He could just follow the lead of his favorite foreign leader.


Does Ayn Rand count

Nah, she was a dirty illegal immigrant.

Most libertarians are OK with immigration.

Good point. I take back my joke.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Gimpy » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:02:02

Youseff wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I can't believe that no one is talking about the new Newsweek story yet. Apparently Trump's business broke the Cuban embargo, and Trump had full knowledge of it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/14/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059.html

And for the cherry on that sundae, it happened right before he went down to South Florida and addressed Cuban interest groups while trying to drum up support for his 1999 attempt to be the Reform Party POTUS candidate.

That's gonna do wonders for his Florida numbers!


feels like it will be huge. it has enough buzz words that it should cut through the mud.


His supporters won't care. Might guarantee Hillary a Florida win though

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Youseff » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:04:16

the core group won't (the basket of deplorables), but there are life-long Clinton haters that are more and more on the fence. I was in Dallas this week and was talking to people about this. undecided voters exist! I thought it was a myth until then.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:04:29

paid sick leave now mandated to federal contractors via executive order

The rule, which was issued on Thursday and which the Labor Department estimates will directly impact more than 1.1 million people once fully in effect, enables workers to accrue up to seven days of paid sick leave a year.

In recent years, more than 20 cities and states around the country have passed laws mandating paid sick leave, which voters generally support, polls show. New York City passed its own such law in 2013 and expanded it the next year. Republican-leaning Arizona appears on the verge of enacting such a measure by a ballot initiative this fall.

But legislation that would mandate paid sick leave nationwide, notably the so-called Healthy Families Act, has stalled in Congress for years, prompting the administration to seek alternative ways of achieving the policy’s goals. Mr. Perez acknowledged that the Healthy Families Act was the model for the new Labor Department rule, which does not need additional approval.

The rule requires that workers in assignments related to many federal contracts receive one hour of paid sick leave for every 30 hours they work, for up to 56 hours of leave a year. Workers will be able to use the days to receive medical attention, care for a relative or deal with complications arising from domestic violence or sexual assault. Unused leave time can carry over to the next year if the worker remains with the same employer on a contract-related assignment. The rule affects only contracts solicited by the government beginning on Jan. 1, 2017.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:04:53

Youseff wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I can't believe that no one is talking about the new Newsweek story yet. Apparently Trump's business broke the Cuban embargo, and Trump had full knowledge of it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/14/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059.html

And for the cherry on that sundae, it happened right before he went down to South Florida and addressed Cuban interest groups while trying to drum up support for his 1999 attempt to be the Reform Party POTUS candidate.

That's gonna do wonders for his Florida numbers!


feels like it will be huge. it has enough buzz words that it should cut through the mud.

More importantly, it's very simple to discuss and understand. Every single American over the age of 18 knows that we couldn't do business with Cuba, whether it's from actual historical knowledge, current events, or just the knowledge of bans on Cuban cigars/rum, or defection of Cuban baseball players, or whatever. It's easy to hear "Trump did business with Cuba" and immediately understand it. The previous story from this journalist--the foreign entanglements/investments story--was much more complicated to relate/digest for anyone who isn't savvy in business, politics, or law.

Besides, even if it isn't huge for the entire nation, it'll be huge among Cuban-Americans, who right now are leaning Trump primarily because he promises to "be tougher" on Cuba than Obama/HRC. There are 1.2 million Cuban-Americans in Florida alone, which is 6.5% of the population. If he loses a sizable portion of that group, either through outright defection to HRC/Johnson or they just don't vote, that could swing the state entirely.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:07:19

Gimpy wrote:
Youseff wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I can't believe that no one is talking about the new Newsweek story yet. Apparently Trump's business broke the Cuban embargo, and Trump had full knowledge of it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/14/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059.html

And for the cherry on that sundae, it happened right before he went down to South Florida and addressed Cuban interest groups while trying to drum up support for his 1999 attempt to be the Reform Party POTUS candidate.

That's gonna do wonders for his Florida numbers!


feels like it will be huge. it has enough buzz words that it should cut through the mud.


His supporters won't care. Might guarantee Hillary a Florida win though

I disagree. His core won't, but there are many Trump supporters who are holding their nose for him. Stories like this one that clearly demonstrate how little concern he has for being truthful to voters could certainly chip away at their resolve.

Besides, there will almost certainly be a criminal investigation over this. It won't be resolved prior to Election Day.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:21:57

good piece remembering Nader in 2000. These three paragraphs stood out to me:
In retrospect, the paradox of the Nader campaign is that the high priest of anti-consumerism turned voting into an act of individual self-affirmation, a kind of lifestyle choice. He addressed voters the way companies address consumers—as atomized individuals whose personal experience is paramount. “Welcome to the politics of joy and justice!” he roared at the Garden. Despite the zero-sum structure of American presidential elections, he told voters they needn’t settle for one of two dispiriting mass-market options built of innumerable compromises, or worry about the broader effects of their vote. This was bespoke politics.

Nader was unconcerned about the prospect of throwing the election to George W. Bush by siphoning votes from Gore. The week after the Madison Square Garden rally, Nader spoke to an overflow crowd at Chapman University in Orange, California, where he implied that Bush would be better for the left than Gore. “If it were a choice between a provocateur and an ‘anesthetizer,’ I’d rather have a provocateur,” he said. “It would mobilize us.”

The next eight years put this proposition to the test. Nader told me that the 2000 election “showed the pundits that, together with our votes and Gore’s votes, we had a majority progressive turnout.” Perhaps it did, but without winning office, the display of a progressive majority counted for nothing. Bush won, beating Gore by 537 votes in Florida, a state where 97,421 voted for Nader. (Nader’s enormous rallies didn’t translate into impressive turnout, and the Greens garnered only 2.7 percent of the national vote.) Bush was certainly a provocateur, governing from the far right despite lacking a mandate, but there was no countervailing Green mobilization. After the election, the movement Nader had been building—the one that seemed so alive that night at Madison Square Garden—completely dissipated.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:27:03

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When Trump's lawyer threatened us on #TrumpInCuba, saying docs didnt exist, @Newsweek offered to post em all online.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:40:38

for a law and order candidate he sure does break the law a lot
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:51:08

@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Youseff » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:53:29

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course


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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby drsmooth » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:53:58

drumpf was thrashed by a girl last Monday night. Won't be surprised if HRC shows up in cabana pants for round 2, speaking spanish, whistling tunes from Buena Vista Social Club, with a big ol' Cuba stick to pummel punkinhead with
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby drsmooth » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:55:36

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course


what's your reading of the intellect on display on your timeline (what's a timeline btw)? No offense, but feels like it's .... limited
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:55:50

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course


wait what? werent Rs up in arms about the steps President Obama has taken opening up relations with Cuba again?

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:57:52

td11 wrote:@heerjeet
If Trump did break the Cuban embargo, that's not even on the top 10,000 list of his worst acts. The embargo was idiotic.

Seeing lots of this on my timeline. Glenn Greenwald agrees of course

Jesus. That's wrong on so many levels. Multiple things can be objectively true:

1. The embargo was U.S. federal law.
2. The embargo was idiotic law/policy.
3. Breaking the embargo was an illegal act in the U.S.

And then, most importantly, this can also be a valid opinion:

A presidential candidate should not be touting his "toughness" on Cuba or a vow to enforce/continue the embargo when he himself is currently violating it through his business.

BTW, Greenwald is turning into a walking hot take. Everyone should just violate laws that they think are dumb/pointless with no ramifications.

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