Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (politics)

Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Slowhand » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:14:49

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:29:25

racist governor Paul LePage's binder of drug dealers was not 90%black people like he said. it was just a bunch of newspaper clippings and anecdotal evidence, further revealing his racism for the public to see.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:43:56

My mother, who I'm pretty sure hasn't voted for a Democrat since either Gore or McGreevey (dunno if she voted for him or Schundler), texted me tonight that she's feeling stressed about the debate because she hates Trump so much.

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:44:47

Early in the debate I'd like to see HRC announce a major new economy policy initiative tonight; something that will resonate with those struggling so as to seize the initiative, put Trump on his heels in terms of an intelligent response and establish a theme for the evening. Maybe something like offering partial student debt forgiveness for students who spend a year or two doing national service.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:47:33

JFLNYC wrote:Early in the debate I'd like to see HRC announce a major new economy policy initiative tonight; something that will resonate with those struggling so as to seize the initiative, put Trump on his heels in terms of an intelligent response and establish a theme for the evening. Maybe something like offering partial student debt forgiveness for students who spend a year or two doing national service.


I think the student loan forgiveness for public service is already a thing--I think teachers can get something back. I also understand it's not well publicized and you've got to jump through a bunch of hoops to actually get it (and it probably depends on whether you've got gov't or private loans) so HRC could simplify and expand the program and it would still resonate.

Gonna go watch the debate with a bunch of college students, which means no drinking games for me. Wish me luck!
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Bucky » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:50:37

yeah, it's a well known fact that college kids don't drink

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:51:19

TenuredVulture wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Early in the debate I'd like to see HRC announce a major new economy policy initiative tonight; something that will resonate with those struggling so as to seize the initiative, put Trump on his heels in terms of an intelligent response and establish a theme for the evening. Maybe something like offering partial student debt forgiveness for students who spend a year or two doing national service.


I think the student loan forgiveness for public service is already a thing--I think teachers can get something back. I also understand it's not well publicized and you've got to jump through a bunch of hoops to actually get it (and it probably depends on whether you've got gov't or private loans) so HRC could simplify and expand the program and it would still resonate.

Gonna go watch the debate with a bunch of college students, which means no drinking games for me. Wish me luck!


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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:51:37

TenuredVulture wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Early in the debate I'd like to see HRC announce a major new economy policy initiative tonight; something that will resonate with those struggling so as to seize the initiative, put Trump on his heels in terms of an intelligent response and establish a theme for the evening. Maybe something like offering partial student debt forgiveness for students who spend a year or two doing national service.


I think the student loan forgiveness for public service is already a thing--I think teachers can get something back. I also understand it's not well publicized and you've got to jump through a bunch of hoops to actually get it (and it probably depends on whether you've got gov't or private loans) so HRC could simplify and expand the program and it would still resonate.

Gonna go watch the debate with a bunch of college students, which means no drinking games for me. Wish me luck!

it is! it's after 10 years of public or non-profit service and on-time payments (these do not have to be all consecutive). it's also only for public loans and isn't retroactive (a big issue). It also requires the person to re-enroll every year, and also to take your info from the IRS and hand it over to Dept of Eduction (there's no reason they couldn't do this for you). So yes, there are hoops. SEIU was able to get it into the most recent contract with PA, so the income info will all be done by the state.


JFL, she actually already has that idea:

Refinance their student loans at current rates, just as borrowers can refinance a car or home loan. Refinancing would help 25 million borrowers across the country, with the typical borrower saving $2,000 over the life of the loan.
Enroll in income-based repayment. Nobody should have to pay more than 10 percent of monthly income, and college debt should be forgiven after 20 years – and 10 years if a borrower works in the public interest. Hillary will simplify, expand and develop options for automatic enrollment in these programs.

Push employers to contribute to student debt relief. Employers must be part of the solution to the student debt crisis. Clinton will create a payroll deduction portal for employers and employees that will simplify the repayment process. She will explore further options to encourage employers to help pay down student debt.

Get relief from debt for starting a business or social enterprise. Aspiring entrepreneurs will be able to defer their loans with no payments or interest for up to three years so that student debt and the lack of family wealth is not a barrier to innovation in our country. For social entrepreneurs and those starting new enterprises in distressed communities, her plan will provide up to $17,500 in loan forgiveness.

Hillary will take immediate executive action to offer a three-month moratorium on student loan payments to all federal loan borrowers. That will give every borrower a chance to consolidate their loans, sign up for income-based repayment plans, and take advantage of opportunities to reduce their monthly interest payments and fees.

Reward public service. AmeriCorps members who complete two years of national service and a year of public service can have their loans forgiven. Teachers who teach in high-need areas or in subjects with teacher shortages – such as computer science or special education – will get enhanced loan forgiveness.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:54:12

Thanks for the information, guys.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 19:54:50

i think this may speak to how issue-free this entire campaign season has been. it's not about issues. if it is, she wins in a landslide. she has to work to make it one, real quick. this is a big failure of her campaign. she should start tonight. The Donald will show himself to be unworthy of the presidency to 60% of voters, it's up to her to convince most of those that she's their answer.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Bucky » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:03:59

do you really think that 60% care about issues more than fluff?? I'd like to believe that's true but I have lost faith.

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:06:08

i mean 40% is in the bag for Trump. nothing she says will sway them. so speak to the rest of 'em. if you're a never trumper i'm not sure what he could say to sway you at this point so why should she cater to them?, Clinton has a lot of room for growth with young people that are wavering. if she gets a similar rate of young people that Obama got, she's got it in the bag. She has policies that would appeal to them, she just has to actually get them out there. This is lots of free advertising. Use it wisely or she deserves to lose.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Bucky » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:13:09

oh the bernieorbusters

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby WilliamC » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:14:22

I wonder if they are going to be nice nice to each other? :o
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:14:54

Bucky wrote:oh the bernieorbusters

not just that, those going for Johnson, those unsure if they plan on even voting, etc. They are gettable. Just show them you'd be their president, too. She's basically adopted much of Sanders' ideas (and was already mostly there on a lot of them), just show that. it won't the Never Trumpers, but f em. they haven't helped much when it comes down to it.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:21:24

fwiw, trump has no policy on student loan debt. literally nothing. his entire education 'plan' (a page of bullet points that came from a speech he made about two weeks ago) is about implementing school choice, more charter schools and spending less on education. no thought has been put into anything. he will just sign whatever comes across his desk that is created by Paul Ryan and company.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby drsmooth » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:46:08

Any chance the studio audience acts the wildcard? They're only human....
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Slowhand » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:58:18

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby pacino » Mon Sep 26, 2016 20:59:16

debates are the worst
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Sep 26, 2016 21:00:08

Do we have GDT?
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