Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (politics)

Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Youseff » Wed Sep 21, 2016 13:59:40

Anthony Weiner sure does have some issues.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2800788

Anthony Weiner allegedly sexted with 15-year-old girl, sent her shirtless pictures: report
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 21, 2016 14:01:21

issues is right

he's doin' it backwards

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Youseff » Wed Sep 21, 2016 15:30:19

Bucky wrote:
Youseff wrote:
azrider wrote:Some of those candidates were just testing the water a bit, but they all knew they would have to overcome Clinton having the DNC in her back pocket. That was a huge obstacle for anyone to overcome. Maybe Biden would've had a chance, kind of a shame regarding that situation, would've voted for him.


What impact did the DNC ultimately have on Hillary winning the nomination?



http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... t-primary/


definitely very interesting stuff but I think this helps negate what I was getting at - there wasn't any evil conspiracy and misdeeds committed to help her win the nomination

Endorsements aren’t a foolproof predictor. In 2008 , more Democrats initially endorsed Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama (although Obama had some support).
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Sep 21, 2016 15:31:12

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pacino wrote:We had a primary and she got the most votes. I don't know how else to pick a nominee. You cant require others to run if they don't think it is their time.


You cultivate an environment where more people are in a position to run.

This is literally the diversity argument.

You think it's that easy when you have a two-term President? Pretty much every party encounters that problem after holding the White House for nearly a decade, especially when they don't hold Congress.

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby MoBettle » Wed Sep 21, 2016 15:54:30

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
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pacino wrote:We had a primary and she got the most votes. I don't know how else to pick a nominee. You cant require others to run if they don't think it is their time.


You cultivate an environment where more people are in a position to run.

This is literally the diversity argument.

You think it's that easy when you have a two-term President? Pretty much every party encounters that problem after holding the White House for nearly a decade, especially when they don't hold Congress.


I agree, I've made very similar points earlier today.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Youseff » Wed Sep 21, 2016 16:35:14

are comment section people real people? I've read in the past that Fox hired folks to basically spam negative stories about them. I wouldn't put it past either party to do something similar. CNN in particular seems to be filled with commentors with eagle avis and weird stock background pics. they're often commenting in a way that's only partially relevant to the story.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby JUburton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 16:36:09

jerseyhoya wrote:
JUburton wrote:Clinton +9 in Monmouth NH, Ayotte +2.

That's 273 if you think CO, VA, WI, MI are quite safe.

272

And Marquette has Wisconsin at Clinton +3 again, so seems unsafe, but until the Clinton people go up on the air there not sure how much reason there is to believe it's unsafe.
If you're giving him ME-3, yeah, but whatever, point stands.

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Sep 21, 2016 16:38:50

Youseff wrote:are comment section people real people? I've read in the past that Fox hired folks to basically spam negative stories about them. I wouldn't put it past either party to do something similar. CNN in particular seems to be filled with commentors with eagle avis and weird stock background pics. they're often commenting in a way that's only partially relevant to the story.

I'm sure I'll get mocked for this but we know that government security agencies do a ton of trolling and spreading of misinformation in comment sections

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Sep 21, 2016 16:43:07

JUburton wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
JUburton wrote:Clinton +9 in Monmouth NH, Ayotte +2.

That's 273 if you think CO, VA, WI, MI are quite safe.

272

And Marquette has Wisconsin at Clinton +3 again, so seems unsafe, but until the Clinton people go up on the air there not sure how much reason there is to believe it's unsafe.
If you're giving him ME-3, yeah, but whatever, point stands.

Maine 2. Was talking to a buddy today about how amusing it would be if he won Maine, and lost 270-268 based on ME-01. We were reminiscing about the halcyon days when we dreamed about Mitt stealing ME-02 and having that swing the election, and wondering how it had come to this.

Romney states + FL + OH + IA + NV + ME SW and ME-02 would be 268.

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby JUburton » Wed Sep 21, 2016 16:45:38

jerseyhoya wrote:
JUburton wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
JUburton wrote:Clinton +9 in Monmouth NH, Ayotte +2.

That's 273 if you think CO, VA, WI, MI are quite safe.

272

And Marquette has Wisconsin at Clinton +3 again, so seems unsafe, but until the Clinton people go up on the air there not sure how much reason there is to believe it's unsafe.
If you're giving him ME-3, yeah, but whatever, point stands.

Maine 2. Was talking to a buddy today about how amusing it would be if he won Maine, and lost 270-268 based on ME-01. We were reminiscing about the halcyon days when we dreamed about Mitt stealing ME-02 and having that swing the election, and wondering how it had come to this.

Romney states + FL + OH + IA + NV + ME SW and ME-02 would be 268.
I debated double checking 2 or 3 and then was like ehhh. Oops.

Still think it's a tough path at the moment for Trump and I don't think the debate Monday is going to help anything. If he's trending up in polls in 2 weeks then we're fucked but I think dems are going to have a laff in 2 or 3 weeks thinking back on these two.

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Youseff » Wed Sep 21, 2016 16:57:20

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
Youseff wrote:are comment section people real people? I've read in the past that Fox hired folks to basically spam negative stories about them. I wouldn't put it past either party to do something similar. CNN in particular seems to be filled with commentors with eagle avis and weird stock background pics. they're often commenting in a way that's only partially relevant to the story.

I'm sure I'll get mocked for this but we know that government security agencies do a ton of trolling and spreading of misinformation in comment sections


http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-15869683

A thread titled "Junpeng Jia, your mother asked you to go back home for dinner!" received over 300,000 replies over a two day period.
A PR company later claimed it had employed 800 individuals to run 20,000 separate accounts on the site to help maintain interest in the videogame while it was down for maintenance.


http://gawker.com/can-you-spot-a-fake-f ... 1449129935

In his new book Murdoch’s World, about the Australian media titan Rupert Murdoch, Folkenflik reports:

Fox PR staffers were expected to counter not just negative and even neutral blog postings but the anti-Fox comments beneath them. One former staffer recalled using twenty different aliases to post pro-Fox rants. Another had one hundred. [...] Old laptops were distributed for these cyber operations.
One of the targeted sites, we are reliably told, was Gawker itself, along with niche industry sites like TVNewser, Inside Cable News, and FishbowlDC. “Even blogs with minor followings were reviewed to ensure no claim went unchecked,” Folkenflik later explains.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Sep 21, 2016 17:07:16

Dan Carlins last podcast had a buncha stuff on misinformation like this

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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby MoBettle » Wed Sep 21, 2016 17:11:22

Didnt Hillary have people posting on Reddit earlier this year? Or was that made up?
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Sep 21, 2016 18:30:26

Youseff wrote:are comment section people real people? I've read in the past that Fox hired folks to basically spam negative stories about them. I wouldn't put it past either party to do something similar. CNN in particular seems to be filled with commentors with eagle avis and weird stock background pics. they're often commenting in a way that's only partially relevant to the story.


I'd have to search for it but I recall reading that the Koch brothers pay some people to troll political stories in the comments section

NPR recently closed their comments section because they discovered that 90% of the posts are made by a small group of people doing it repeatedly
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby thephan » Wed Sep 21, 2016 19:20:54

:dh: Last week MIT Tech Review shuttered it's comments section due to lack of quality and trolling. Now I will have to up my science and technology posting here I guess.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby drsmooth » Wed Sep 21, 2016 21:04:36

Phan I have to say you have been positively voluble around here the past month or so
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Sep 21, 2016 21:11:04

Wait, are you trying to tell me the rest of you aren't paid to post here?
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby drsmooth » Wed Sep 21, 2016 21:54:05

swishnicholson wrote:Wait, are you trying to tell me the rest of you aren't paid to post here?


$wi$hnichol$on everybody
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Slowhand » Wed Sep 21, 2016 21:56:00

I'm here for the women.
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Re: Hillary's collasping in the polls and the streets (polit

Postby Youseff » Wed Sep 21, 2016 21:57:32

thephan wrote::dh: Last week MIT Tech Review shuttered it's comments section due to lack of quality and trolling. Now I will have to up my science and technology posting here I guess.


The Crimson Cyclone wrote:
Youseff wrote:are comment section people real people? I've read in the past that Fox hired folks to basically spam negative stories about them. I wouldn't put it past either party to do something similar. CNN in particular seems to be filled with commentors with eagle avis and weird stock background pics. they're often commenting in a way that's only partially relevant to the story.


I'd have to search for it but I recall reading that the Koch brothers pay some people to troll political stories in the comments section

NPR recently closed their comments section because they discovered that 90% of the posts are made by a small group of people doing it repeatedly


this is comforting. it's obviously messed up that it's a practice, but it's comforting to know there are less horribly stupid people than I thought.
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