Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:02:30

pacino wrote:Turkish state-run media reporting that the horrible act in the Kurdish wedding was done by ISIL. 51 have died as of now. Child bomber accompanied by adults.

In response, turkey shelled ISIL targets in Northern Syria and Turkish-backed Syrian rebels are about to drive ISIL out of a city.

Oh, and they used the opportunity to attack Kurds, too!

Kill our Kurdish citizens? We'll get back at you by killing even more!!!!! you don't do our job for us!
However, Turkey is also wary of moves that might bolster Syrian Kurdish forces, known as the YPG, which it views as an extension of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a Turkish-Kurdish rebel group fighting for autonomy since the 1980s.
On Monday, Turkey shelled YPG positions near Manbij, a town they took from IS this month.

YPG is a stark ally of the US. they are the armed force of Rojava, which is an ethnic Kurdish quasi-state in Northern Syria that is really doing good work. It's fairly progressive, too.
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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:25:13

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
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pacino wrote:i think trump was caught with the loans, jh, and he decided to cut bait to continue the long con. he is, and will, recoup that money by any means necessary.

I never expected him to forgive the loans, but he did and I don't really think there's a plausible way to expect him to pay himself back at this point in any meaningful amount. And if he was looking to try and recoup the money, he wouldn't have thrown a few million more in last month. Fully open to the long con idea that he's doing this with an eye on building a conservative media empire at the end, but I think the door should be mostly closed on the making money directly off the campaign speculation unless something comes out that's a lot more clear than this.

Making money off campaign =/= Recovering as much of his "personal" expenditures as he can from donations through his various companies

Sort of maybe, but as he continues to put significantly more in than he gets back, and most of what he "gets back" is for actual expenditures (i.e. buying gas for his plane) or foregoing revenue from renting space, I am puzzled at this being used as something to hit him on.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:42:56

Interesting.

THE BIG IDEA: Eight years ago this month, Barack Obama’s high command became very worried after Russia invaded Georgia.

The first-term senator, then 47, had no meaningful national security experience, a liability Hillary Clinton had highlighted throughout the Democratic primaries. And he happened to be vacationing in Hawaii.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania, John McCain recounted a phone call he had just had with Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili. "Today, we are all Georgians,” the hawkish war hero said, drawing cheers from the crowd of several thousand.

The Obama team was worried about losing voters of Eastern European ethnic descent as a result of McCain's hardline rhetoric on Russia. There are lots of Polish Americans, Ukrainian Americans and Lithuanian Americans who live in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. Many came here to escape the Iron Curtain.

As McCain’s regional campaign manager, responsible for Pennsylvania and Ohio, Jon Seaton vividly remembers pushing the pro-Georgia and anti-Vladimir Putin message. “We also were hopeful that the ethnic communities, particularly the Polish-Americans in the Cleveland suburbs would be a hidden block for us, and did a lot of coalition work there,” he recalls. “It wasn’t ultimately enough to overcome the massive Obama GOTV effort in Cuyahoga County, but it was definitely part of our strategy to drive up our numbers.”

Now the script is completely reversed. Those voters who McCain fought so hard for in 2008 are still out there. They normally would be very inclined to vote for someone like Trump – on paper, they look just like his core supporters – but Putin’s clear preference for him over Clinton (combined with Trump’s naiveté on all things Russia) gives them great pause.

John Weaver, who was John Kasich’s chief strategist this year and advised both of McCain’s presidential bids, thinks the blowback is starting to show up in polls, specifically Trump’s weakness among Catholics who regularly attend mass.

“In and around Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, Detroit and all throughout Wisconsin, you’re talking about voters with family in Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine and the Czech Republic,” said Weaver. “These voters are key to any narrow path that Trump has left.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/08/23/daily-202-russian-meddling-in-u-s-election-backfiring-on-putin-hurting-trump/57bb9b5bcd249a2fe363ba31

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:45:06

jerseyhoya wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:i think trump was caught with the loans, jh, and he decided to cut bait to continue the long con. he is, and will, recoup that money by any means necessary.

I never expected him to forgive the loans, but he did and I don't really think there's a plausible way to expect him to pay himself back at this point in any meaningful amount. And if he was looking to try and recoup the money, he wouldn't have thrown a few million more in last month. Fully open to the long con idea that he's doing this with an eye on building a conservative media empire at the end, but I think the door should be mostly closed on the making money directly off the campaign speculation unless something comes out that's a lot more clear than this.

Making money off campaign =/= Recovering as much of his "personal" expenditures as he can from donations through his various companies

Sort of maybe, but as he continues to put significantly more in than he gets back, and most of what he "gets back" is for actual expenditures (i.e. buying gas for his plane) or foregoing revenue from renting space, I am puzzled at this being used as something to hit him on.

I think it's just that people who have never liked Trump pointing to things like this as more evidence that he will monetize EVERYTHING. It's death by a thousand pinpricks.

No, it's not going to sway anyone from voting for him. It's just the 200th item on a list of reasons that I can't stand the guy.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:13:12

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Interesting.

THE BIG IDEA: Eight years ago this month, Barack Obama’s high command became very worried after Russia invaded Georgia.

The first-term senator, then 47, had no meaningful national security experience, a liability Hillary Clinton had highlighted throughout the Democratic primaries. And he happened to be vacationing in Hawaii.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania, John McCain recounted a phone call he had just had with Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili. "Today, we are all Georgians,” the hawkish war hero said, drawing cheers from the crowd of several thousand.

The Obama team was worried about losing voters of Eastern European ethnic descent as a result of McCain's hardline rhetoric on Russia. There are lots of Polish Americans, Ukrainian Americans and Lithuanian Americans who live in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. Many came here to escape the Iron Curtain.

As McCain’s regional campaign manager, responsible for Pennsylvania and Ohio, Jon Seaton vividly remembers pushing the pro-Georgia and anti-Vladimir Putin message. “We also were hopeful that the ethnic communities, particularly the Polish-Americans in the Cleveland suburbs would be a hidden block for us, and did a lot of coalition work there,” he recalls. “It wasn’t ultimately enough to overcome the massive Obama GOTV effort in Cuyahoga County, but it was definitely part of our strategy to drive up our numbers.”

Now the script is completely reversed. Those voters who McCain fought so hard for in 2008 are still out there. They normally would be very inclined to vote for someone like Trump – on paper, they look just like his core supporters – but Putin’s clear preference for him over Clinton (combined with Trump’s naiveté on all things Russia) gives them great pause.

John Weaver, who was John Kasich’s chief strategist this year and advised both of McCain’s presidential bids, thinks the blowback is starting to show up in polls, specifically Trump’s weakness among Catholics who regularly attend mass.

“In and around Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, Detroit and all throughout Wisconsin, you’re talking about voters with family in Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine and the Czech Republic,” said Weaver. “These voters are key to any narrow path that Trump has left.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/08/23/daily-202-russian-meddling-in-u-s-election-backfiring-on-putin-hurting-trump/57bb9b5bcd249a2fe363ba31


This makes a lot of sense. It's not just chumminess with Putin, it's Trump's statements that indicate he would consider abandoning these countries, even those that are NATO members in the face of Russian aggression. It's definitely something that Clinton should try to exploit, but I don't imagine these voters have a whole lot of confidence in Obama either, so Hilary has a challenge here.
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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Aug 23, 2016 13:15:44

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Aug 23, 2016 13:42:37

Serious question:

When did it become okay for conservative politicians to self-identify as victims--whether it's victims of the "liberal" media, the politically correct movement, the "anti-religious" crowd, etc? Isn't that why they generally condemn PC culture or minority groups for doing?

I know that's not an entirely new phenomenon but it definitely seems to have been cranked up a notch or three over the past few years. And now Trump is taking it to a whole other level. His tweet this morning talking about how "everyone" is reporting about how the liberal media is treating him worse than any politician in history is fucking amazing on so many levels.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Aug 23, 2016 13:45:38

I don't know but he's so damn whiny.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Aug 23, 2016 14:37:36

It became ok the moment they realized that playing the victim resonated with their base. A corollary is what Paul Krugman defined as "The Confidence Fairy," i.e., we dare not criticize or do anything which might upset the "job creators" (like raising taxes) because they'll lose confidence and Armageddon will follow.
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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Aug 23, 2016 14:53:41

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/23/stripping-creeping-and-dissing-6-wacky-claims-in-the-latest-lawsuit-against-fox-news/

Female hosts were expected to strip down without privacy

"Each year," according to Tantaros's complaint, "Fox News conducts a 'trunk show' at which female on-air personalities pick out their wardrobe. Fox News's 'trunk show' requires its female employees, including Tantaros, to dress and undress in front of Fox News's wardrobe personnel in the middle of a room without even the benefit of a curtain to act as a dressing room."


Ailes made wildly inappropriate comments about on-air talent

Among the things Tantaros says she heard Ailes say:

"Harris [Faulkner] has to be careful. She has the tendency to look like the angry black woman."
Referring to Maria Bartiromo: "She got so fat."
"Is Greg Gutfeld gay?"
"Is Dana [Perino] a lesbian?"
"Perhaps Gutfeld and Perino are sleeping together?"
Kimberly Guilfoyle is a "Puerto Rican whore."
Referring to Gretchen Carlson: "She's nuts."

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Bucky » Tue Aug 23, 2016 14:57:19

he's not wrong on that last one

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Youseff » Tue Aug 23, 2016 15:35:12

@AP
BREAKING: AP analysis: More than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation.


this is uh...optically it's.....well,
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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Aug 23, 2016 15:42:03

It's nonsense. Hillary was Secretary of State. All she did was meet with people.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby momadance » Tue Aug 23, 2016 15:43:09

Youseff wrote:
@AP
BREAKING: AP analysis: More than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation.


this is uh...optically it's.....well,


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 3-14-35-04

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Youseff » Tue Aug 23, 2016 15:47:43

Doll Is Mine wrote:It's nonsense. Hillary was Secretary of State. All she did was meet with people.


what about the other part.
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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Aug 23, 2016 15:51:12

I think we've already seen over the past month that no one not already voting for Trump really cares about this, or at least, that they (including me) accept it as part of the 'lesser evil' thing, so not sure if this will make much of a difference

I do think it's interesting that our Philly DA Seth Williams is about to lose his post over quid pro quo infractions but it will hardly dent a presidential candidate

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby jamiethekiller » Tue Aug 23, 2016 15:54:43

he shoulda set up a charity or a foundation and just paid himself out of that instead

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Aug 23, 2016 16:02:47

Youseff wrote:
@AP
BREAKING: AP analysis: More than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation.


this is uh...optically it's.....well,

This just doesn't seem possible, if only from a pure numbers standpoint. We know that she did more traveling than any previous SoS in US history. Is this only talking about closed door meetings?

There's no story attached to the tweet yet. I really hate "journalism" in the twitter age. Don't tweet a headline unless you have the details ready to go.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Aug 23, 2016 16:05:01

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Youseff wrote:
@AP
BREAKING: AP analysis: More than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation.


this is uh...optically it's.....well,

This just doesn't seem possible, if only from a pure numbers standpoint. We know that she did more traveling than any previous SoS in US history. Is this only talking about closed door meetings?

There's no story attached to the tweet yet. I really hate "journalism" in the twitter age. Don't tweet a headline unless you have the details ready to go.

Okay here we go.

At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.


https://apnews.com/82df550e1ec646098b434f7d5771f625/Many-donors-to-Clinton-Foundation-met-with-her-at-State

She served for roughly 1400 days but only had 154 scheduled meetings/phone calls with private individuals? Seriously? As an Assistant Attorney General, I had that many in a damn month sometimes.

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Re: Trump shampoo: Reboot, melt down, repeat. (Politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Aug 23, 2016 16:05:43

Youseff wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:It's nonsense. Hillary was Secretary of State. All she did was meet with people.


what about the other part.


It's a non-story, and quite frankly, I don't think most people even care. But I'll say this, calling for the Foundation to shut down for political reasons is disgusting. The Foundation helps so many children around the world and we need to stop trying to make it out to be some corrupt scheme to make the Clintons rich.

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