Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:37:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:hoping there will be an upward trend in polls again starting next week. the past 10 days have not been good for the democrats. jh, what are your feelings? will the email stuff begin to fade and clinton can come back off the ledge again by the end of the month?

Trump is in a lot of trouble. Needed this week to recast his campaign, and the 1st two days were overshadowed with the plagiarism thing, now today is going to be Cruz's disunity message in the limelight. Even with Hillary's problems these past few weeks he hasn't been able to actually increase his vote share. Unless tonight is a massive success there won't be the bump he needs, and it sounds like HRC is announcing her VP pick tomorrow in Florida to step on whatever news cycle Trump gets out of tonight. And you know the DNC is going to be well choreographed with actual good speeches by actually popular politicians.

Really started thinking the past few weeks this might be a very close election that could go either way, but the last three days have done a lot to lessen the chances of that.

This across the board (other than ever believing that this election would be close--there's no way Trump doesn't do something to alienate people).

They have completely botched this week, just as they squandered the entire month of June after Trump secured the nomination. Calling it "amateur hour" isn't a strong enough criticism of their campaign. This is basic, fundamental stuff, like making sure that Joni Ernst--a young(ish) conservative, female war veteran Senator and a rising star in the GOP--gets a primetime slot on Monday, or actually having your speakers talk about that day's theme (e.g., Tuesday's theme was "Make America Work Again" but I didn't hear a single person even mention a Trump plan for the economy--the theme should have been "Make America Prosecute a Clinton Again")

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby smitty » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:55:15

Bucky wrote:
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Ooh! You speak French!


et cum spiritu tuo

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Stripes » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:55:53

jerseyhoya wrote:
Bucky wrote:you could make the case that:

-the R's didn't think they could field anyone at all to beat H
-They put T(D) up as the sacrificial lamb
-Now anyone they field in 2020 will look sane by comparison to moderates

She's the second most unpopular major party nominee ever. Anyone else, including Ted Cruz, would be even or beating her right now.


I believe that this was the reason there was so many entrants into the R primary in the first place-they all believed Hillary is so unpopular that whomever the R nominee was would have an easy path to the White House. Instead, we get Trump
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Youseff » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:51:09

Stripes wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Bucky wrote:you could make the case that:

-the R's didn't think they could field anyone at all to beat H
-They put T(D) up as the sacrificial lamb
-Now anyone they field in 2020 will look sane by comparison to moderates

She's the second most unpopular major party nominee ever. Anyone else, including Ted Cruz, would be even or beating her right now.


I believe that this was the reason there was so many entrants into the R primary in the first place-they all believed Hillary is so unpopular that whomever the R nominee was would have an easy path to the White House. Instead, we get Trump


probably with Bucky's theory is 1) they've destroyed the reputation of many of their potential stars. Jeb, Rubio, Cruz all come out of this looking worse 2) the public perception of the GOP is now even further intertwined with the Alex Jones wing of the party
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby traderdave » Thu Jul 21, 2016 13:02:06

CalvinBall wrote:clinton campaign pulling out all the stops

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/trumpyourself/


This is so fucking childish. People already do not like her (for a variety of reasons) and this kind of stuff just makes her look weak and unsure, IMHO. It is probably my naivety regarding politics but I feel like when you are on top of your game, you do not have to resort to this kind of crap.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Jul 21, 2016 13:09:31

That's barbed wire. :lol:

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Jul 21, 2016 13:11:21

Stripes wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Bucky wrote:you could make the case that:

-the R's didn't think they could field anyone at all to beat H
-They put T(D) up as the sacrificial lamb
-Now anyone they field in 2020 will look sane by comparison to moderates

She's the second most unpopular major party nominee ever. Anyone else, including Ted Cruz, would be even or beating her right now.


I believe that this was the reason there was so many entrants into the R primary in the first place-they all believed Hillary is so unpopular that whomever the R nominee was would have an easy path to the White House. Instead, we get Trump


clinton got 15.8 million votes in the primary, trump got 13.3 (the most of any republican). she may be wildly unpopular. she may not be though.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby thephan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 13:31:36



So bad its good. I missed throwing this out and did not see it here.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Gimpy » Thu Jul 21, 2016 13:40:10

Turkey is "temporarily" suspending the European Convention on Human Rights

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jul 21, 2016 14:00:19

State of emergency
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jul 21, 2016 14:01:11

traderdave wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:clinton campaign pulling out all the stops

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/trumpyourself/


This is so #$!&@ childish. People already do not like her (for a variety of reasons) and this kind of stuff just makes her look weak and unsure, IMHO. It is probably my naivety regarding politics but I feel like when you are on top of your game, you do not have to resort to this kind of crap.

It's a social media thing. It's not a big deal.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 14:08:58

traderdave wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:clinton campaign pulling out all the stops

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/trumpyourself/


This is so #$!&@ childish. People already do not like her (for a variety of reasons) and this kind of stuff just makes her look weak and unsure, IMHO. It is probably my naivety regarding politics but I feel like when you are on top of your game, you do not have to resort to this kind of crap.

It's childish to highlight the opposing candidate's racist and inflammatory statements in a way that directs the viewer to reflect on how those statements relate to them or their loved ones?

I don't think the platform will be particularly effective (mostly because I expect that it will predominately be used by Hillary supporters), but calling it childish is ignoring the new social media approach to campaigns.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby traderdave » Thu Jul 21, 2016 15:17:00

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
traderdave wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:clinton campaign pulling out all the stops

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/trumpyourself/


This is so #$!&@ childish. People already do not like her (for a variety of reasons) and this kind of stuff just makes her look weak and unsure, IMHO. It is probably my naivety regarding politics but I feel like when you are on top of your game, you do not have to resort to this kind of crap.

It's childish to highlight the opposing candidate's racist and inflammatory statements in a way that directs the viewer to reflect on how those statements relate to them or their loved ones?

I don't think the platform will be particularly effective (mostly because I expect that it will predominately be used by Hillary supporters), but calling it childish is ignoring the new social media approach to campaigns.


To be more specific, the "message" is certainly germane to consideration of a vote for Trump but the link struck me as one of those "how well do you know 80s TV shows" quizzes. And believe me, based on personal experience, I know more about the social media approach to a number of things than I care to. FB has become one of the nine circles of hell.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:14:52

Word is that Tim Kaine is scheduled for a trip to Tampa tomorrow... and so is Hillary.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:18:04

Ugh. I'm not a fan of the pick if true.

I get that he has experience but how does he excite people? Does he at least entice more Republicans to vote for Hillary? Maybe that's why she's picking him.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Grotewold » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:22:59

Who, those worried she wasn't quite white enough

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:23:23

Doll Is Mine wrote:Ugh. I'm not a fan of the pick if true.

I get that he has experience but how does he excite people? Does he at least entice more Republicans to vote for Hillary? Maybe that's why she's picking him.

He's not a sexy pick, but unless you're a Bernie supporter you shouldn't be upset by him.

Huge plus in his favor: he's fluent in Spanish.

He's also an incredibly underrated public speaker. I've personally watched him speak intelligently for upwards of an hour without notes in front of multiple types of audiences (i.e., not stump speeches).

IMO, this pick (if true) means that Hillary's team is comfortable that they basically need to play the Four Corners Offense until 11/9. Safe moves, no unforced errors, stay on message, don't get baited by Trump or his surrogates, and let your PACs paint Trump as a nutjob.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:24:55

Ailes officially out
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:26:45

Doll Is Mine wrote:Ugh. I'm not a fan of the pick if true.

I get that he has experience but how does he excite people? Does he at least entice more Republicans to vote for Hillary? Maybe that's why she's picking him.

He's qualified. That's what matters for a VP.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:27:05

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Ailes officially out

Trump to announce tonight that he's dropping out and has purchased Fox News.





Just kidding.





Sorta.

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