Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Polar Bear Phan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:37:17

Honestly, the VP pick receives far more discussion than it deserves. With that said, I think the strongest pick would've been Stavridis simply because national defense/terrorism is the one real path Drumpf has and criticism from the retired admiral might have actually converted some veteran/serving Trumpsters.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:44:15

traderdave wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
traderdave wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:clinton campaign pulling out all the stops

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/trumpyourself/


This is so #$!&@ childish. People already do not like her (for a variety of reasons) and this kind of stuff just makes her look weak and unsure, IMHO. It is probably my naivety regarding politics but I feel like when you are on top of your game, you do not have to resort to this kind of crap.

It's childish to highlight the opposing candidate's racist and inflammatory statements in a way that directs the viewer to reflect on how those statements relate to them or their loved ones?

I don't think the platform will be particularly effective (mostly because I expect that it will predominately be used by Hillary supporters), but calling it childish is ignoring the new social media approach to campaigns.


To be more specific, the "message" is certainly germane to consideration of a vote for Trump but the link struck me as one of those "how well do you know 80s TV shows" quizzes. And believe me, based on personal experience, I know more about the social media approach to a number of things than I care to. FB has become one of the nine circles of hell.

Based on your constant criticism and dislike of local, state, and federal politicians of both parties, it seems you are not a fan of our style of politics and government in general.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 16:53:50

Fareed Zakaria bringing the heat:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-would-be-trumps-banana-republic/2016/07/21/f652820a-4f57-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

Over the years, I have watched campaigns in third world countries in which one candidate accuses the other of being a criminal, sometimes even threatening to jail his opponent once elected. But I cannot recall this happening in any Western democracy until this week. The Republican convention has been colorful and chaotic, but above all, it has been consumed by a vigilante rage, complete with mock prosecutors, show trials and chanting mobs. The picture presented to the world has been of America as a banana republic.

We have descended so far so fast that it is sometimes difficult to remember that this is not normal. It was only eight years ago that the Republican nominee, John McCain, interrupted one of his supporters who claimed that Barack Obama was an Arab and thus suspicious to explain that his opponent was in fact “a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues.”

Contrast that with the tenor of this campaign, which has been set from the top by Donald Trump, who has repeatedly insisted that Hillary Clinton deserves to be in jail. He even promised that were he elected, his attorney general would reopen the books and “take a very good look” at possibly indicting her, himself having concluded that she is “guilty as hell.” That might have happened in a Latin American country — 30 years ago.

The convention has been dominated by hatred of Clinton because it is the party’s only unifying idea right now. People have chosen a candidate who does not believe in the ideology that has inspired Republican leaders for decades — free markets and free trade, low taxes, limited government, deregulation, welfare state reform and an expansionist foreign policy. In a breathtaking interview with the New York Times, Trump announced that he would not honor NATO’s guarantee of security to the United States’ European allies, practically inviting Vladimir Putin to destabilize Eastern Europe. That is a break not just with seven decades of Republican foreign policy but also with a core American commitment that has kept the peace since 1945. It is the most reckless statement made by a presidential candidate in modern times.

And yet, it is hardly surprising. Trump doesn’t even pretend to have an ideology. His main idea is that he is great, and if the country elects him, he will make it greater. “Share my glory,” cries Evita in the Andrew Lloyd Webber production, which is what Trump promises his supporters as well. It is ironic that Trump rails against Latino immigrants given that his campaign seems to mirror those of Latin America’s Peronists, believing in the strongman above any set of ideas.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby SK790 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 17:46:17

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Ailes officially out

Trump to announce tonight that he's dropping out and has purchased Fox News.





Just kidding.





Sorta.

It's going to be glorious when Trump endorses Hillary tonight in a WWE-style heel turn. The Clinton long con will finally pay off.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jul 21, 2016 17:52:00

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Fareed Zakaria bringing the heat:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/america-would-be-trumps-banana-republic/2016/07/21/f652820a-4f57-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

Over the years, I have watched campaigns in third world countries in which one candidate accuses the other of being a criminal, sometimes even threatening to jail his opponent once elected. But I cannot recall this happening in any Western democracy until this week. The Republican convention has been colorful and chaotic, but above all, it has been consumed by a vigilante rage, complete with mock prosecutors, show trials and chanting mobs. The picture presented to the world has been of America as a banana republic.

We have descended so far so fast that it is sometimes difficult to remember that this is not normal. It was only eight years ago that the Republican nominee, John McCain, interrupted one of his supporters who claimed that Barack Obama was an Arab and thus suspicious to explain that his opponent was in fact “a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues.”

Contrast that with the tenor of this campaign, which has been set from the top by Donald Trump, who has repeatedly insisted that Hillary Clinton deserves to be in jail. He even promised that were he elected, his attorney general would reopen the books and “take a very good look” at possibly indicting her, himself having concluded that she is “guilty as hell.” That might have happened in a Latin American country — 30 years ago.

The convention has been dominated by hatred of Clinton because it is the party’s only unifying idea right now. People have chosen a candidate who does not believe in the ideology that has inspired Republican leaders for decades — free markets and free trade, low taxes, limited government, deregulation, welfare state reform and an expansionist foreign policy. In a breathtaking interview with the New York Times, Trump announced that he would not honor NATO’s guarantee of security to the United States’ European allies, practically inviting Vladimir Putin to destabilize Eastern Europe. That is a break not just with seven decades of Republican foreign policy but also with a core American commitment that has kept the peace since 1945. It is the most reckless statement made by a presidential candidate in modern times.

And yet, it is hardly surprising. Trump doesn’t even pretend to have an ideology. His main idea is that he is great, and if the country elects him, he will make it greater. “Share my glory,” cries Evita in the Andrew Lloyd Webber production, which is what Trump promises his supporters as well. It is ironic that Trump rails against Latino immigrants given that his campaign seems to mirror those of Latin America’s Peronists, believing in the strongman above any set of ideas.

I hope he didn't plagiarize it

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Gimpy » Thu Jul 21, 2016 19:03:38

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Based on your constant criticism and dislike of local, state, and federal politicians of both parties, it seems you are not a fan of our style of politics and government in general.


Well, first past the post is a terrible way to decide elections.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby SK790 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 19:05:28

yeah our style of politics and government in general is stupid as fuck.

our style of politics and government is what's fueling Trump supporters.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Jul 21, 2016 19:09:59

Yeah, parliamentary systems work much better. Just look at Europe!
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Jul 21, 2016 19:10:34

Our system sucks! -people who don't win elections
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Jul 21, 2016 19:11:04

Gay escort services are up in Cleveland this week

http://nypost.com/2016/07/21/male-escor ... t-the-rnc/
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:02:24

lol arpaio's gun button

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby SK790 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:05:07

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Our system sucks! -people who don't win elections

lol
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:09:17

you'd think a screaming black guy wouldn't have made it this long in that room.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby td11 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:13:32

@ted_newton
!! Manafort on MSNBC just now saying women will vote for Trump b/c "their husbands can't afford paying for the family bills." #RNCinCLE

What??
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Soren » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:18:28

td11 wrote:@ted_newton
!! Manafort on MSNBC just now saying women will vote for Trump b/c "their husbands can't afford paying for the family bills." #RNCinCLE

What??


Yes, my mom, who worked her way from secretary to AVP, is voting for Trump because she wishes she could live in the 50s
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby PhillieMooDo » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:23:33

td11 wrote:@ted_newton
!! Manafort on MSNBC just now saying women will vote for Trump b/c "their husbands can't afford paying for the family bills." #RNCinCLE

What??

Is this real life?
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:27:12

it is VERY shocking that trump's speech is an appeal to fear

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (po

Unread postby Trent Steele » Thu Jul 21, 2016 20:54:40

I am now 90 percent certain that Manafort is a double agent being paid a billion dollars by the Koch bros to throw the election.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Jul 21, 2016 21:10:22

td11 wrote:@ted_newton
!! Manafort on MSNBC just now saying women will vote for Trump b/c "their husbands can't afford paying for the family bills." #RNCinCLE

What??


Oh geez...

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Jul 21, 2016 21:19:15

Why does even the littlest Trump have that horrible haircut plastered with gel?

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