Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:27:38

and when drumpf goes down, the Rs will interpret it as a hoax the traitorous double-crossing democrat drumpf played on them all that's bigger than the faked moon landing.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:30:44

you could make the case that:

-the R's didn't think they could field anyone at all to beat H
-They put T(D) up as the sacrificial lamb
-Now anyone they field in 2020 will look sane by comparison to moderates

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:32:48

Bucky wrote:you could make the case that:

-the R's didn't think they could field anyone at all to beat H
-They put T(D) up as the sacrificial lamb
-Now anyone they field in 2020 will look sane by comparison to moderates

She's the second most unpopular major party nominee ever. Anyone else, including Ted Cruz, would be even or beating her right now.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:35:28

FWIW, Cruz had to speak if he wanted to. He had won a majority of 8 delegations, could have forced himself into the nomination under the rules, and would have automatically gained a spot.

Now they could have put him at 7:30 PM on Monday, but he would have gotten to speak regardless. I think there are reports Newt's speech included a line thanking Cruz for endorsing Trump, so there must have been some expectation of endorsement. But there are other reports that Cruz told Trump two days ago he wasn't endorsing, so who knows.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:40:08

CLEVELAND — Donald J. Trump, on the eve of accepting the Republican nomination for president, said Wednesday that if he were elected, he would not pressure Turkey or other authoritarian allies about conducting purges of their political adversaries or cracking down on civil liberties. The United States, he said, has to “fix our own mess” before trying to alter the behavior of other nations.

“I don’t think we have a right to lecture,” Mr. Trump said in a wide-ranging interview in his suite in a downtown hotel here while keeping an eye on television broadcasts from the Republican National Convention. “Look at what is happening in our country,” he said. “How are we going to lecture when people are shooting policemen in cold blood?”

During a 45-minute conversation, Mr. Trump re-emphasized the hard-line nationalist approach that has marked his improbable candidacy, describing how he would force allies to shoulder defense costs that the United States has borne for decades, cancel longstanding treaties he views as unfavorable, and redefine what it means to be a partner of the United States.

He said the rest of the world would learn to adjust to his approach. “I would prefer to be able to continue” existing agreements, he said, but only if allies stopped taking advantage of what he called an era of American largess that was no longer affordable.

Giving a preview of his address to the convention on Thursday night, he said that he would press the theme of “America First,” his rallying cry for the past four months, and that he was prepared to scrap the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada if he could not negotiate radically better terms.

He even called into question whether, as president, he would automatically extend the security guarantees that give the 28 members of NATO the assurance that the full force of the United States military has their back.

For example, asked about Russia’s threatening activities that have unnerved the small Baltic States that are the most recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.”


Pretty fucked up on a few points there

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:43:00

What did Cruz do exactly beyond the vote your conscience line?

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:44:32

CalvinBall wrote:What did Cruz do exactly beyond the vote your conscience line?

Talked about freedom and honoring the constitution and made a few over the top criticisms of Obama and other Ted Cruz-y things.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:47:41

Ted Cruz would absolutely not be leading Hillary. The guy is a complete lunatic.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:51:54

jerseyhoya wrote:Anyone else, including Ted Cruz, would be even or beating her right now.



Mmmmm, dunno. Not as many people know Cruz as know drumpf. And when you get to know Ted, he's every bit as unlikable as drumpf
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:52:53

Warszawa wrote:Ted Cruz would absolutely not be leading Hillary. The guy is a complete lunatic.

Trump has very unfavs near 50, over half the electorate saying they won't even consider voting for him, and he's within a couple of points of her. Unfortunately we cannot observe the counterfactual, but I think Cruz would be ahead right now. Dunno if he'd wear well enough through the campaign to ultimately win, but would have a better chance. Also his team would be running a much better convention.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:56:38

Trump somewhat in meltdown mode on Twitter

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:56:40

jerseyhoya wrote:Pretty fucked up on a few points there


"fucked up" barely begins to register how utterly & thoroughly not-at-all qualified among any contending living creatures drumpf is for the position of POTUS. He's a rodent who must never be chosen to do anything in any position of any level of responsibility for anything ever.
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:57:33

CalvinBall wrote:Trump somewhat in meltdown mode on Twitter


don't tease us

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 20, 2016 23:59:57

Bucky wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Trump somewhat in meltdown mode on Twitter


don't tease us


He or someone is retweeting all this nonsense from supporters. Trying his best to lay into Ted.

Didn't trump at one point say he wouldn't sign the pledge? Dude is a child.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Jul 21, 2016 00:05:36

The fact that Mike Pence is not trending on Twitter says all you need to know about tonight. Ted Cruz is all everyone is talking about him.

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Jul 21, 2016 00:07:20

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 21, 2016 00:19:29

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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby drsmooth » Thu Jul 21, 2016 00:21:54

junior out-punchable-faces drumpf himself
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby wwry » Thu Jul 21, 2016 00:21:57

trump jr really is patrick bateman esque
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Re: Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Jul 21, 2016 00:22:32

The NATO ally thing is incredible. Who is this guy? He is clueless about everything.

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