Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Jul 13, 2016 07:32:09

Trump's calls for her to resign are over the top though

but it was dumb of her to break precedent and speak of the campaign, what if there's a repeat of 2000 and an issue on the election goes to the court, there will be pressure for her to recuse herself
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 13, 2016 07:38:56

jerseyhoya wrote:Today in headlines I never expected to see... Donald Trump Is Right About Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

NYT Editorial!


Even the Times has to sell papers

and merely saying "drumpf is Right In One Specific Narrow Respect About Justice Ginsberg's Remarks " won't move 'em.

No need to voice it, Justice Ginsberg: drumpf is beneath your contempt. Way beneath.

She's of course completely right that the prospect of that assrash being POTUS is a stomach-churning combination of ridiculous & scary. And they naturally reject his hyperbolic personal attacks on her, as does any individual or enterprise capable of recognizing a sociopathic buffoon's spittle-begrimed tantrums for what they are
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby MoBettle » Wed Jul 13, 2016 08:39:38

Pretty awful by Ginsberg.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 09:14:11

Woody wrote:She shouldn't be voicing it like this. I admire her spirit, but it's probably only helping his cause
Yeah, pretty much. Everyone knows RBG is a badass liberal...no need to give the other side ammunition to prove she's 'biased' in her voting.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:33:36

extreme:
Rivera is one of a number of women in El Salvador incarcerated not for abortion, which is illegal, but as a result of miscarriages. An abortion rights group in the area has identified 17 people convicted of homicide, with sentences upward of 40 years, after facing obstetric emergencies such as miscarriage or stillbirth.

After serving four of her 40-year prison sentence for aggravated homicide, Rivera's conviction was overturned by a judge and she walked free this spring. But the prosecution appealed her release, and this week a three-judge panel will decide whether to hold a new hearing or throw out the charges for good.

Only six countries in the world, including El Salvador, ban abortion in all cases, even when the pregnancy is the result of rape or threatens the life of the mother. Nicaragua, Chile, the Dominican Republic, the Vatican city-state, and Malta are the only other places with similar prohibitions. In January, El Salvador's deputy health minister told women to avoid getting pregnant for two years because of worries over the effects of Zika virus.

Then there are the cases of the 17 women who are part of "Las 17," as they're known, who are all, like Rivera, young, impoverished, and accused of losing their pregnancies on purpose. Guadalupe Vasquez, a housekeeper, was only 17 years old when she became pregnant from rape. She decided to keep the baby but lost it during labor. After her employer sent her to the hospital, she was reported to the police and eventually sentenced to 30 years behind bars.

Many of the women, including Rivera, were reported to the police by medical staff at the hospital. In some cases, neighbors or friends called law enforcement.

criminalizing being a woman, basically
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby slugsrbad » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:36:53

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Trump's calls for her to resign are over the top though

but it was dumb of her to break precedent and speak of the campaign, what if there's a repeat of 2000 and an issue on the election goes to the court, there will be pressure for her to recuse herself


Then there won't be an even-numbered court.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:40:26

Coming to you live from 1973, the 2016 Republican Party Platform

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:41:57

i forget.

quinnipiac is no good right?

ohio and pa and fla all look bad for clinton in their new polls.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:43:59

i don't think they're a bad firm but they lean republican a tad. jh would obviously know more about polling firms, but they seem legit.

she's opened a 2 pt lead in PA in most polls, but they've had Trump ahead for a while now
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:44:24

They're decent according to 538's ratings. A- with a +0.7% R bias.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:45:56

i think PA is in the bag, always have.

if the idea of a black president couldn't get these supposed 'worried white voters' to come out to vote and get PA to go republican, I don't see how donald f'ing trump will.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:48:26

Looks like they oversampled whites/undersampled minorities.

Chalk it up as an outlier for now. Hell, the poll had more people with strongly unfavorables of Clinton than of Trump.

19. Regardless of how you intend to vote, who do you think is - better prepared to be President: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?
FL OH PA

Clinton 53% 57% 56%
Trump 37 34 36
DK/NA 9 9 8

what

http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinn ... aseID=2365

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:50:26

i haven't looked...is that for likely voters? if so they may be assuming that Latinos won't vote at high enough rates to make enough of an influence. they're a growing demographic but don't register to vote at high enough rates in comparison to other populations.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:54:39

pacino wrote:i haven't looked...is that for likely voters? if so they may be assuming that Latinos won't vote at high enough rates to make enough of an influence. they're a growing demographic but don't register to vote at high enough rates in comparison to other populations.

Whites were +4/5/6 in percentage compared to voting in 2012.

Telephone only (inc cell), appx 1000 per state, registered voters.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:55:11

interesting ruling on the South China Sea and China's lack of claim to it. it seems like the obivous right ruling but I find it funny the Chinese media is being direct toblame the USA. Certainly we want open seas but this was an arbitration tribunal at the Hague.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:38:05

National polls have been tightening this week. Not implausible that Hillary has worse very unfavs at the moment given the news of the past week. I'd take Hillary's side of the bet in all three states if the election was today, but those numbers aren't implausible.

Fox and Marist state polls apparently due later today.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:43:23

Yeah, I forgot that the poll could have been done pretty much at the same time as the whole FBI thing.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Wed Jul 13, 2016 13:52:18

Remember--the perverse incentive for many of these pollsters is to get attention for their sponsors (e.g. an obscure Connecticut university with not much of a reputation for anything) and you do that by reporting "outlier" results even though you're more likely to be accurate if you get the same results as everyone else. I'm not saying this makes any particular poll a "bad" one but it does perhaps explain some of their methodology.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Jul 13, 2016 13:58:40

unless it's a disaster, the convention should give Trump a bump that will make the pundits sound the alarms
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Jul 13, 2016 14:01:02

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:unless it's a disaster, the convention should give Trump a bump that will make the pundits sound the alarms
and how could it possibly be a disaster!?

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