Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby slugsrbad » Mon Jul 11, 2016 22:48:24

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby drsmooth » Mon Jul 11, 2016 22:50:02

whilst we're continuing to monkey around with economics in the politics thread, pearls of wisdom on the topic in the dulcet tones of Kim Wilson:

Yes, but in a double utley you can put your utley on top they other guy's utley, and you're the winner. (Swish)

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Jul 12, 2016 00:20:59

Monkeyboy wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Now that I have 3 kids, I spend more time thinking about early childhood development, values, and how to raise kids with the morality, grit, independence, and intellect to thrive in the world today. To piggy back on your post, the inequality and breakdown of the society values is happening long before someone gets a job. By the time kids get to high school, there are clear differences that will carry through for the rest of their lives. It's not a new challenge, how to produce successful children, but it's an exciting one if we can figure out how to raise kids that enables them to succeed.
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I agree with this, but I think the thing it misses is the fact that not everyone will be successful. In fact for most cases, for every winner, there are multiple losers. So how do we treat the unsuccessful? Many of these people are where they are due to nothing more than bad luck. How do those people deserve to be treated? I certainly hope your children will be successful, but if they're not, I'll be there to lend them a hand. I hope you'll be there for my kids, too.

I agree with JFLNYC. Even placing aside the economic argument, this is a matter of decency and the common good.


Wait, everybody back up and re-read MB's post, which is the most salient piece of the puzzle that gets glossed over.

Werthless, you can and should make sure you do your best to raise your kids with these values. But let's say the former part of nature/nurture wins out, and one of your kids only ever gets a job bussing tables or digging ditches or gathering carts at the supermarket. The inequality can happen even longer before someone gets to high school- it may happen at birth (and I'm even forsaking the external factors like skin color here). Does society just say "oh well, too bad, you're only worth enough to continue to live in your ma's basement and never be able to afford to have a family"? Or do we recognize that some people, although they may not exhibit traits that equate to 'success' by capitalist's definitions, deserve to have a wholesome and fulfilling life among the rest of us??

And more directly to MB's point, if we did get to a point where 100% of folks got advanced college degrees, society always will need people to fulfill the more menial of tasks. So we'll have MBA "winners" who get good jobs, and MBA "losers" who are pumping your gas in NJ. I don't think out-and-out socialism is the right way to go, but some sort of income compression between the investment bankers and the grocery store clerks is a real good thing for a functional society.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 12, 2016 07:48:56

Jamie Dimon: Why We're Giving Our Employees A Raise

as one commenter notes, Dimon is "getting out in front of a mob & calling it a parade".
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JFLNYC » Tue Jul 12, 2016 08:09:06

How will JPMC be able to remain competitive in a global economy with those raises? Won't they have to fire a lot of employees just to stay afloat? Should we short their stock?
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Jul 12, 2016 09:04:11

JFLNYC wrote:How will JPMC be able to remain competitive in a global economy with those raises? Won't they have to fire a lot of employees just to stay afloat? Should we short their stock?


They already fired a bunch of people.

Also their CEO got a 27 million dollar bonus for cutting expenses (firing people) last year.

Fuck them.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby JFLNYC » Tue Jul 12, 2016 09:20:37

I'm sure you realized I was being facetious.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Jul 12, 2016 09:36:27

Right now the polls are showing voters ticket splitting in battleground states that would probably let the R's keep the Senate even if Trump gets swept. I haven't looked at past trends too closely, but I would think this is something that will be less pronounced in the polls as we get closer to Nov.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jul 12, 2016 09:44:38

Democratic Rep. Corrine Brown of Florida suggested on Friday that, if agents investigating her had instead spent their time investigating the man who killed 49 people at an Orlando nightclub in June, the massacre could have been prevented.

“These are the same agents that was not able to do a thorough investigation of the agent, and we ended up with 50 people dead,” Brown said, referring to Omar Mateen.

Friends,

Last week was very rough.

Two black men were needlessly gunned down by police; 5 Dallas police officers were slain by a demented man, and on Friday I had to appear in federal court.

My heart is heavy, but my spirit remains unbroken. Being indicted is very scary. Yet my conscience is clear because I’m innocent. I’m not the first black elected official to be persecuted and, sad to say, I won’t be the last.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby Woody » Tue Jul 12, 2016 09:56:26

hope she hasn't looked at federal conviction rate stats!
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:42:56

ever notice how persecute & prosecute are almost the same and people who are talking about prosecuting frequently freudianly say or write persecute instead? have you? well, HAVE you? why the fuck HAVEN'T you? DON'T YOU STARE AT ME THAT WAY
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby Woody » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:57:48

"An indictment is just an accusation..." Brown wrote

(one based on heaps of evidence, but yes I suppose technically she's correct)
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:08:25



How the people of Florida and the United States will go on without her in Congress, god only knows

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:15:24

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:29:55

Bernie hath endorsed the Shillary.


BernieBros meltdown in 3...2...1....

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:31:03

#berniewentbust
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:53:20

JFLNYC wrote:
Most of you probably think that the $15 minimum wage in Seattle is an insane departure from rational policy that puts our economy at great risk. But in Seattle, our current minimum wage of $9.32 is already nearly 30 percent higher than the federal minimum wage. And has it ruined our economy yet? Well, trickle-downers, look at the data here: The two cities in the nation with the highest rate of job growth by small businesses are San Francisco and Seattle. Guess which cities have the highest minimum wage? San Francisco and Seattle. The fastest-growing big city in America? Seattle. Fifteen dollars isn’t a risky untried policy for us. It’s doubling down on the strategy that’s already allowing our city to kick your city’s ass.


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If the minimum wage had kept pace with productivity since 1968, it would be ~$20 now. And if it had kept up with the wage growth of the wealthiest 1%, it would be. . .



Wait for it. . .




Close to $30/hr.


Thanks for this, JFLNYC... err, JFLFL.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:55:35

smitty wrote:The thing I like about paying people better is they will buy more stuff. That's good for the economy. Commerce breeds commerce.


JFLNYC wrote:As they say, my spending is your income and your spending is my income.


I think it was Henry Ford (not exactly a role model, but good at money) who observed: it's not money that is important, it is the flow of money that matters.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:56:01

jerseyhoya wrote:How the people of Florida and the United States will go on without her in Congress, god only knows


probably about as well as the US has gotten on without Grimm, Radel, and Renzi. But that's just a guess
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:58:27

really good speech by Bernie


edit: looks like i missed quite an interesting conversation in these here parts. some good posts
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