Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby kruker » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:21:48

heyeaglefn wrote:It may be down today, but it is near where it was just a week or two ago.


Yea, that's because people were way too overconfident and ran up the market in anticipation of a remain vote.

It's going to get worse. This is the precursor for the real Brexit unwind. Something happens at the end of trading today that will lop off more points. Think about it.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:21:53

pacino wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:the rise of the right-wing

great

Somewhat, but if you look at how the North of England, the West Midlands, and South Wales voted here and how they vote for parliament, it's a lot more than that

i haven't looked at the crosstabs, but it seems like the Leave campaign took an obvious EU dislike and were able to sway a good amount of people that aren't 'right' in the American sense. Johnson was touting beefing up the NHS, for example. Will that happen? Likely not, but it was promised. They were promising nationalism and getting your money back to use the way you want to; in the UK that also means how the government spends it, no?

If increasing the size of government expenditures on social services is right-wing using a bank shot of nationalism we're stretching the definition of the most of these categorizations past usefulness.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby smitty » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:22:55

JUburton wrote:Lesson: Old white people fucking love to vote to try and make things the way they used to be.


Not me. My old friends actually contribute to our community by volunteering for worthy courses. Don't see many youngsters helping out although there are some. Our motivation is to support new projects. We are pretty generous with donations to church and charities. Not like in the old days when people didn't do so much.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:24:49

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:the rise of the right-wing

great

Somewhat, but if you look at how the North of England, the West Midlands, and South Wales voted here and how they vote for parliament, it's a lot more than that

i haven't looked at the crosstabs, but it seems like the Leave campaign took an obvious EU dislike and were able to sway a good amount of people that aren't 'right' in the American sense. Johnson was touting beefing up the NHS, for example. Will that happen? Likely not, but it was promised. They were promising nationalism and getting your money back to use the way you want to; in the UK that also means how the government spends it, no?

If increasing the size of government expenditures on social services is right-wing using a bank shot of nationalism we're stretching the definition of the most of these categorizations past usefulness.

it was a 'who needs 'em?!' appeal. it certainly was, and that's generally more right-wing in nature.

Considering the ones happy with it are the FN and PVV, I feel fairly confident predicting a right-wing wave throughout europe. we've been seeing one for going on 2 years.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby JUburton » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:24:50

smitty wrote:
JUburton wrote:Lesson: Old white people fucking love to vote to try and make things the way they used to be.


Not me. My old friends actually contribute to our community by volunteering for worthy courses. Don't see many youngsters helping out although there are some. Our motivation is to support new projects. We are pretty generous with donations to church and charities. Not like in the old days when people didn't do so much.
#NotAllOldWhitePeople

But really, of course it's a sweeping generalization that won't apply to everyone.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby smitty » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:27:09

Trump said he wanted to name a cabinet now. "That's been done before, right?"

No. No it hasn't. It bad enough the guy is clueless. He has to keep proving it. Should study "Silent" Calvin Coolidge.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby smitty » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:29:26

JUburton wrote:
smitty wrote:
JUburton wrote:Lesson: Old white people fucking love to vote to try and make things the way they used to be.


Not me. My old friends actually contribute to our community by volunteering for worthy courses. Don't see many youngsters helping out although there are some. Our motivation is to support new projects. We are pretty generous with donations to church and charities. Not like in the old days when people didn't do so much.
#NotAllOldWhitePeople

But really, of course it's a sweeping generalization that won't apply to everyone.


I know. But I'm old and I can get grouchy sometimes. I think I hang around with really kewl old folks. So that effects my opinion in regards to this.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:33:20

kruker wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:It may be down today, but it is near where it was just a week or two ago.


Yea, that's because people were way too overconfident and ran up the market in anticipation of a remain vote.

It's going to get worse. This is the precursor for the real Brexit unwind. Something happens at the end of trading today that will lop off more points. Think about it.

Still has little impact on long term investors. Just a buy opportunity.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:40:28

pacino wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:the rise of the right-wing

great

Somewhat, but if you look at how the North of England, the West Midlands, and South Wales voted here and how they vote for parliament, it's a lot more than that

i haven't looked at the crosstabs, but it seems like the Leave campaign took an obvious EU dislike and were able to sway a good amount of people that aren't 'right' in the American sense. Johnson was touting beefing up the NHS, for example. Will that happen? Likely not, but it was promised. They were promising nationalism and getting your money back to use the way you want to; in the UK that also means how the government spends it, no?

If increasing the size of government expenditures on social services is right-wing using a bank shot of nationalism we're stretching the definition of the most of these categorizations past usefulness.

it was a 'who needs 'em?!' appeal. it certainly was, and that's generally more right-wing in nature.

Considering the ones happy with it are the FN and PVV, I feel fairly confident predicting a right-wing wave throughout europe. we've been seeing one for going on 2 years.


Current American left/right distinctions don't map well onto Europe and anyway our distinctions have grown pretty muddled as well. The Brexit vote does seem to be breaking down into cosmopolitan elite v. parochial populism. While cosmopolitan elites are pretty similar in outlook throughout the "west" parochial populist vary from place to place in their outlook--hence, "parochial". So in France, for instance, the populists are the ones who went on strike a month ago, which in the US would seem like a very left wing thing to do. Add in to this: in no democratic nation can the cosmopolitan elite call the shots on its own. It must form coalitions. In many places that coalition will typically include people of non-majority ethnicity and religion, though that hasn't always been the case. Finally, the populists in Europe have a much more obvious target in the EU than the populists in the US have.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:41:55

kruker wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:It may be down today, but it is near where it was just a week or two ago.


Yea, that's because people were way too overconfident and ran up the market in anticipation of a remain vote.

It's going to get worse. This is the precursor for the real Brexit unwind. Something happens at the end of trading today that will lop off more points. Think about it.


Have you picked up any leveraged short ETFs?
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:47:09

Also, another thing that's happened is that if the only rational reason for an individual to participate in an election is for an expressive benefit, then there's no reason why people would take much time to consider the consequences if their voting decision prevailed. Basically, people vote in a way that makes them feel good, not because they actually want the outcome their vote indicates. I think you're likely to see at least some buyer's remorse in Britain in the days ahead. "Wait, I didn't really want to leave the EU, I'm just angry about things!"

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024634/b ... egret-vote

Also, this is a pretty strong argument for JH's you should have two elections for such issues.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Youseff » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:17:14

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Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!


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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:19:55

Youseff wrote:
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!


lilyVerified account
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@realDonaldTrump Scotland voted IN you moron

feel like The Fear was written as though she were Trump herself


When asked if he had spoken to his foreign policy advisers about the vote, Trump said “there was nothing to talk about” and that a Trump administration would continue to count Britain as a close ally.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby JUburton » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:27:32

Youseff wrote:
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!


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@realDonaldTrump Scotland voted IN you moron
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/746383351733379073

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:33:06

Donald Trump hires Michele Bachmann, Jerry Falwell Jr.


Falwell (Liberty University prez and Super Christian) poses with Trump in front of Playboy cover
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby kruker » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:43:58

TenuredVulture wrote:
kruker wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:It may be down today, but it is near where it was just a week or two ago.


Yea, that's because people were way too overconfident and ran up the market in anticipation of a remain vote.

It's going to get worse. This is the precursor for the real Brexit unwind. Something happens at the end of trading today that will lop off more points. Think about it.


Have you picked up any leveraged short ETFs?


No. Leverage is terrifying.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby kruker » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:44:26

heyeaglefn wrote:
kruker wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:It may be down today, but it is near where it was just a week or two ago.


Yea, that's because people were way too overconfident and ran up the market in anticipation of a remain vote.

It's going to get worse. This is the precursor for the real Brexit unwind. Something happens at the end of trading today that will lop off more points. Think about it.

Still has little impact on long term investors. Just a buy opportunity.


We think about things differently I suppose.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby td11 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 13:52:56

JUburton wrote:
Youseff wrote:
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!


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@realDonaldTrump Scotland voted IN you moron
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/746383351733379073

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Soren » Fri Jun 24, 2016 14:00:12

That is a word you could use to describe that, yes.
Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jun 24, 2016 14:06:09

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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