#Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby SK790 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 05:16:57

Ben Carson finished ahead of Ted Cruz in NY-16. :lol:

http://gawker.com/ted-cruzs-night-of-hu ... 1771963177
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Apr 20, 2016 07:03:23

threecount wrote:Trump continues to say, including tonight, that he will beat Hillary in New York, PA, Connecticut, ect. in a general...

I just don't see it...

I know primaries are different but the Dems had 1,700,000 voters or so tonight to the GOP's 700,000. I can't see him winning in New York..


though he won't be nominated, drumpf would be crushed by anyone in any general election. He's got months to demonstrate further, in case anyone with functioning braincells is in doubt of it, how manifestly unqualified he is to be dogcatcher, much less hold an executive elective office.

For all intents and purposes, he's Carl Paladino with his own aircraft.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 20, 2016 07:43:23

swishnicholson wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Kasich needs to go away so badly. So so so badly.


You've certainly been consistent on this, but Kasich was convincingly the #notTrump winner in NY, and has a chance to be the #notTrump winner in each of the April 26 primaries. If this happens are you still hoping he'll go away, or would you rather his campaign gains strength nationally?

it took him from Ohio to now to get another delegate. No one who is actually voting actually wants him. He has no path to the nomination. Perhaps Trump doesnt get 1237, but then all the Cruz delegates vote on the second ballot and give it to him. Whither Kasich then? He's just hurting Cruz at this point because he's not bringing down Trump's vote anywhere except apparently around Trump Tower. It seems like a weird ego thing or a setup for 2020 or I dont quite know??? He's not raising money, he's not accumulating votes or delegates, and he's annoying his party's establishment (whom he is trying to ostensibly woo). I just honestly don't get what he's doing here.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Bucky » Wed Apr 20, 2016 07:47:58

Add his delegates to Trump's and there's 1237. Kasich tells his delegates to go Trump in exchange for the VP spot. Drumpf already stated that he wants someone who knows politics in that role.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 20, 2016 07:55:14

the NYC map
too bad NY is an incompetent state at running elections; selfishly Clinton's margins would've been higher if those registrations in Brooklyn weren't messed all up. They are on Mississippi levels of competence in that state as far as this goes.

fwiw:
Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s office received 562 phone calls and 140 emails with complaints from voters across the state – most came from Brooklyn.

Voter registrations in New York are purged for a number of reasons — like if you die, become a felon, or leave the state.

Purging a voter is different from becoming an inactive voter, which happens when someone hasn’t voted in at least two federal election cycles, according to New York State Board of Elections spokesman John Conklin.

“There’s lots of people who come and go from the voter rolls,” Conklin told the News.
Of the 126,000 Democrats from Brooklyn who were removed from the rolls, 12,000 were people who moved out of the borough, 44,000 people were moved from active to inactive voter status and 70,000 were purged altogether, WNYC reported.

"This number surprised me," Mayor Bill de Blasio said on the public radio station. "I admit that Brooklyn has had a lot of transient population — that's obvious — lot of people moving in, lot of people moving out. That might account for some of it. But I'm confused since so many people have moved in, that the number would move in the negative direction."

A big issue was the mess around Sandy Hook when people voted in different polling places and even precincts.

Trump got 80% of Staten Island...

Trump wins Baisley Park 17-5-4 in East Brooklyn

He also romped in Claremont 14-7-5. LOL at those vote totals in teh South Bronx
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby JUburton » Wed Apr 20, 2016 08:03:51

Bucky wrote:Add his delegates to Trump's and there's 1237. Kasich tells his delegates to go Trump in exchange for the VP spot. Drumpf already stated that he wants someone who knows politics in that role.
This is generally not how delegates work though. You don't get to pick your own very often.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 20, 2016 08:05:33

yeah, many of 'Trump's' delegates are actually Cruz's should they reach a second ballot. Kasich is just making it more likely for them to reach the second ballot...which would mean he is out anyway.

This is what jh has been showing in places like Colorado and what Trump is all fake upset about since he's going for 1237 anyway.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 20, 2016 08:33:48

Bernie is speaking in Reading at the Santander Arena tomorrow at 2pm

i work next door. guess i'll see his crowd
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby SK790 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 08:52:37

pacino wrote:the NYC map
too bad NY is an incompetent state at running elections; selfishly Clinton's margins would've been higher if those registrations in Brooklyn weren't messed all up. They are on Mississippi levels of competence in that state as far as this goes.

fwiw:
Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s office received 562 phone calls and 140 emails with complaints from voters across the state – most came from Brooklyn.

Voter registrations in New York are purged for a number of reasons — like if you die, become a felon, or leave the state.

Purging a voter is different from becoming an inactive voter, which happens when someone hasn’t voted in at least two federal election cycles, according to New York State Board of Elections spokesman John Conklin.

“There’s lots of people who come and go from the voter rolls,” Conklin told the News.
Of the 126,000 Democrats from Brooklyn who were removed from the rolls, 12,000 were people who moved out of the borough, 44,000 people were moved from active to inactive voter status and 70,000 were purged altogether, WNYC reported.

"This number surprised me," Mayor Bill de Blasio said on the public radio station. "I admit that Brooklyn has had a lot of transient population — that's obvious — lot of people moving in, lot of people moving out. That might account for some of it. But I'm confused since so many people have moved in, that the number would move in the negative direction."

A big issue was the mess around Sandy Hook when people voted in different polling places and even precincts.

Trump got 80% of Staten Island...

Trump wins Baisley Park 17-5-4 in East Brooklyn

He also romped in Claremont 14-7-5. LOL at those vote totals in teh South Bronx

There was something like 800 total Republican votes in all of Williamsburg. :lol:
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 20, 2016 09:01:22

SK790 wrote:
pacino wrote:Bernie's main strategy, as told to Kornacki, is flipping superdelegates.

Image

lol

FWIW, Tad Devine (the guy that helped create superdelegates that is Bernie's other big strategist) attempted to walk back Weaver's comments to Kornacki, instead saying they are going to fight hard in the upcoming states and then reassess. Weaver is really annoying.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 20, 2016 09:27:46

the speaker of the Iraqi Parliament put said Parliament in suspension due to MPs trying to unseat the speaker and install a new one. It's a schism within Shiites. they are supposed to meet today. they pulled some troops from ISIS duty to deal with protests in Baghdad.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Apr 20, 2016 09:35:57

SK790 wrote:Ben Carson finished ahead of Ted Cruz in NY-16. :lol:

http://gawker.com/ted-cruzs-night-of-hu ... 1771963177

I would be surprised if this doesn't end up being some sort of a tabulation or data entry error.

However, it seems Ben Carson may cost Trump a delegate in NY-13 (Rangel's district). Donald is at 50.5% on the official website with his 1285 votes (seriously) BUT the NYS website doesn't have Carson's totals there. He got 66! votes in the district, dragging Donald down to 49.2% by my math.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Apr 20, 2016 09:47:08

thought votes for carson were void or somethin

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby JUburton » Wed Apr 20, 2016 09:49:09

CalvinBall wrote:thought votes for carson were void or somethin
They don't count for delegate allocation, correct.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Apr 20, 2016 09:52:55

They might. Will be lawsuits/credentials committee challenges.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby smitty » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:35:29

Regarding the Vice President thing. It's often not a highly sought after position. Cactus Jack Garner, a VP with FDR for a term, supposedly said it wasn't worth "a warm bucket of spit." He may have actually said piss instead of spit. He also may have never said either.

If Trump is the nominee, I have a feeling he'd want a yes man to be VP. Maybe a yes women. One of his daughters maybe.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby traderdave » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:41:34

Soren wrote:Friend I used to respect is on the I'm voting for Trump if Hillary gets the nod kick


Friends don't let friends vote for Donald Trump. Actually, they might not let them vote for Hillary Clinton either.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby traderdave » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:02:07

I think I have reached the point where it is time for Democrats to (GULP!) consolidate behind Hillary. Sanders is approaching John Kasich-level pigheadedness by continuing in a fight that he simply cannot win (unless something catastrophic were to befall the Clinton campaign, i.e. an indictment or similar). There is absolutely no way that Sanders is going to convince the supers to abandon Clinton after her performances.

Sanders should be extremely proud of what he accomplished over these past months but it is time to do the right thing for the country. God forbid Donald Trump gets any closer to the Oval Office than the guided tour.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:05:19

traderdave wrote: (unless something catastrophic were to befall the Clinton campaign, i.e. an indictment or similar)

this isn't a far-fetched scenario

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:07:31

Trump needs someone from a swing state with experience, probably more Establishment and more moderate than he. So Kasich would be perfect but for the fact that Kasich has said he won't do it (for whatever that's worth). If Trump needs Kasich's delegates to put him over the top you'd have to think there might be a deal to be made.
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