#Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Apr 16, 2016 18:17:26

Cruz gets all 14 Wyoming delegates

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Apr 16, 2016 19:23:51

TenuredVulture wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Clinton net favorability ratings are still dropping among dems.

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-m ... w-low.aspx


I'm sure that won't hurt turnout. Will the base show up in November?


If Cruz doesn't scare the bejesus out of the base enough to get them to vote, they deserve whatever they get. Maybe it's time to start quoting passages from Handmaid's Tale or something.



That and the SCOTUS should be enough, I would hope.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Apr 16, 2016 19:40:23

Indeed. Will be why I vote Cruz however begrudgingly.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby drsmooth » Sat Apr 16, 2016 22:13:05

jerseyhoya wrote:Indeed. Will be why I vote Cruz however begrudgingly.


You mean in primary I hope. Because in the general election, just write in someone you actually prefer. Because voting for Cruz in an actual the-winner-will-have-a-real-governing-job election will condemn your mortal soul to everlasting hellfire.

Which reminds me I was going to complain bitterly about all the televidiots yammering about how "unfair" and "undemocratic" party primary voting processes are, basically just aping the uber-apeshit-brained drumpf. you goddamned idiots, they're clubs, loaning out their "brand" (hate that term) to some eager beaver who (presumably) wants to take on a gummint job. That eager beaver's welcome to go run on their own if they want to - they aren't obliged to suck up to a party to get its nomination. They want to arrange things so they wind up with a pack of goobers like the Rs have done the last couple of cycles? That's their lookout.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Sat Apr 16, 2016 23:17:36

13 women are set to be in armor and 9 in infantry, provided they pass the test. The army expects about 200 a year to sign up to do it.


The horror, won't someone think of unit cohesion?!
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Apr 18, 2016 02:48:46

This from Clinton about Trump:

"What I’m concerned about is how he goes after everybody else. He goes after women. He goes after Muslims. He goes after immigrants. He goes after people with disabilities. He is hurting our unity at home," Clinton said. "He is undermining the values that we stand for in New York and across America. And he’s hurting us around the world. He can say whatever he want to say about me. I really could care less."



It's supposed to be,"I really COULDN'T care less!!!!!!"

How am I supposed to vote with her if she breaks one of my pet peeves?!?!
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Apr 18, 2016 08:59:36

US v Texas is heard by the Supreme Court today at 10am
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:06:35

are they seceding?

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Bucky » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:09:09

we could only hope

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:13:56

US v Texas, wherein Emperor Palpatine Obama declared from his Throne that certain ILLEGALS could apply for temporary protection and work permits simply because they were children and there's no other feasible way to deal with the problem of their status. THEN he said that their parents could stay, too. AMNESTY!
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:16:58

Well, as your friendly serving Armor officer, let me add to this discussion.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out over time. That's really my only concern - if only three woman out of 100 are able to get through basic training and the armor/infantry training, I have real concern about wasting taxpayers money over the long haul.

There's a tipping point somewhere in here - I'd be ok with 33% - but I suspect the number will be far lower.

I've seen female armor crew from other countries a number of times. The biggest issues are being able to load the main gun in under seven seconds consistently and being able to perform crew level maintenance like breaking track (sucks for everyone) and recovery operations (being mired in a nice fat mud puddle).

Infantry is a whole different game, especially in the light infantry world. The ruck marches alone weed out a lot of men (and the rates of shin splints and lower body injuries for gals who want to be grunts are going to be very high)...

If the gals want to join this world, hey, go nuts. I'll support you and hope you can be a part of the team.


pacino wrote:13 women are set to be in armor and 9 in infantry, provided they pass the test. The army expects about 200 a year to sign up to do it.


The horror, won't someone think of unit cohesion?!
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:23:38

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:31:08

yikes :( the Turkish-EU agreement doesn't really deal with this aspect (migration from secondary countries not named Turkey), at all. It's a bad solution to a bad situation. sigh


LG - for whatever reason women do get more ACL/MCL tears, on average, in sports. It'd be interesting to see how that translates to the Army in the years to come.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:36:12

Basic physiology - the bone and muscle structure of women is just different than men. The continued pounding of long ruck marches carrying heavy loads destroys everyone over time - the hardest dude in the world to me is the Ranger Company First Sergeant because of he has survived the insane physical standards of the Ranger Regiment for well over a decade.

Shouldn't be as much of an issue with the armor community - the scouts are different ball of wax, that's more of an infantry game even for the mechanized scouts.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Apr 18, 2016 09:42:41

pacino wrote:US v Texas, wherein Emperor Palpatine Obama declared from his Throne that certain ILLEGALS could apply for temporary protection and work permits simply because they were children and there's no other feasible way to deal with the problem of their status. THEN he said that their parents could stay, too. AMNESTY!


And this issue has reached the highest court in the land because of an issue which has been vexing our democracy for decades: Texas' claim of financial ruin if it has to issue drivers licenses to these immigrants. One can only hope that this great question which has haunted our society for so long will, once and for all, be put to rest.
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:07:09

the NY Post's endorsement of Trump is hilarious. They basically want Trump to not be himself.


Should he win the nomination, we expect Trump to pivot — not just on the issues, but in his manner. The post-pivot Trump needs to be more presidential: better informed on policy, more self-disciplined and less thin-skinned.

Start with policies that seem made on the fly.

No, pulling US troops out of Japan and South Korea — and pushing both countries to go nuclear to defend themselves — is not remotely a good idea. American commitments may need rethinking — but careful rethinking.

Yes, controlling the border is one of Washington’s fundamental duties — but “Build the Wall” is far too simplistic a policy for a nation of immigrants.

By all means, get the best trade deals for America — but remember that trade means cheaper goods for the less well-off, and challenge US industries to improve.

Trump’s language, too, has too often been amateurish, divisive — and downright coarse.

But what else to expect from someone who’s never been a professional politician and reflects common-man passions?

eh, whaddya expect from a guy running for President? give him a break!
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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby JUburton » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:16:51

This isn't yuuuuuge for trump but you can probably add 30-35 delegates to Trumps bound delegates total if true (and I'm underestimating 2/3 with that number...could be closer to 40). If he gets right around 1200 bound I wonder if some of these people change their minds.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:31:34

It's a nonsense exercise to estimate how many of the unpledged delegates would back Trump from PA before knowing who wins the elections next Tuesday to be chosen to be the unpledged delegates.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby JUburton » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:21:03

jerseyhoya wrote:It's a nonsense exercise to estimate how many of the unpledged delegates would back Trump from PA before knowing who wins the elections next Tuesday to be chosen to be the unpledged delegates.
Well there have been a lot of separate accounts of those running say they'd follow their district. I am sure that someone (likely taniel) will be mining for these people's likely action at the convention.

Of course whether or not they stay true to that is another thing.

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Re: #Aprilandmayprimariesmatter (politics thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Apr 18, 2016 13:28:04

Right but there are also dozens of people who are running explicitly as a Cruz person or aren't saying they're going to follow the district. Cruz has put out a slate of people he wants his supporters to vote for. They aren't going to care who wins the district. Saying 2/3 or more of the unbound people are going to back Trump if he wins PA is pretty contingent on people planning on following the topline results actually being the ones who are elected to be delegates.

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