Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:13:55

drsmooth wrote:
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2. You have not decided but are not considering Trump - You're not the audience


nonsense. I wouldn't vote for Mitt, but the man persuaded lots & lots & lots of R voters of his sanity and competence. Believe it or not, many who may have thrown their hands up and voted the ticket will still listen to Romney, & heed his caution, and NOT throw up their hands and vote the straight ticket.

3. You have not decided but are considering Trump - I don't see how if you have any inclination at all to vote for Trump how this would push many people in the opposite direction.
You're kidding, right?

If you see this as a tacit 'if you're a republican, you are allowed to vote for Hillary against Trump but I'm not actually going to say it' then I can buy that.


what?

Primary voters are 1) new to politics 2) old to politics 3) most importantly, a small fraction (15%, give or take) of the voting populace you need to persuade to get a chance to actually be a candidate and compete for actual voters in an actual election that would gain you - or not gain you - an actual political office.

drumpfs' delusion that he has attracted "millions and millions" of ardent would-be voters that will sweep him into the Presidency is just that - a delusion. Romney is talking to a slice of potential Republican primary voters - and donors - and operatives.

He's also confirming for anyone with any doubt that no competent businessperson regards drumpf as a competent businessperson, and that drumpf is a liar and fraud. If I tell you that, sure, be dismissive. When Mitt Romney says that, you, and by you I mean you and a lot of people, need to take that more seriously.
I admit that I considered the Romney speech a one time thing and if that's the case, I stand by that it won't really practically change anything. My issue is that if you weren't taking him seriously or questioning his presidential ability before this speech, I don't think that you will start because of a Mittens 10am speech on a Thursday.

Now, if this is an opening salvo and the rest of the establishment gets in line and they start a media blitz, that's a different story.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Gimpy » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:16:13

Brantt wrote:
Gimpy wrote:I'd rather see Romney as the Republican nomination than anyone currently alive on the right. I hope he swoops in and steals the nomination.


I take it you are a Democrat.


Independent. Romney's pretty moderate. There's a good chance I'd vote for him over Hillary.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Brantt » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:16:56

jerseyhoya wrote:
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The Crimson Cyclone wrote:If I were Donald I'd start collecting signatures since it's pretty evident that they will try to take the nomination from him


According to Howard Fineman, Trump's lawyers are already prepared for what's to come.

Trump's lawyers have already proven not to understand election law in their poorly worked complaints/cease and desist attempts against ads running against Trump, and his main guy defended Trump against old rape charges from his ex-wife by suggesting it's impossible for a husband to rape his wife. I'm gonna guess if it comes down to legal maneuvering and there's any way possible for him to lose, he will lose.

But he only hires the best and brightest, so we're in good shape if he's elected president.


Wait, you don't think the cease and desist letters are actually serious, do you?

It's all for show.

What was the 'show' attempt here - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ps-lawyer/


Not sure what the question is. That's two political candidates screwing with each other and then publicizing it. If you think there was a chance of a lawsuit being filed...........um, OK.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:18:43

JUburton wrote:Now, if this is an opening salvo and the rest of the establishment gets in line and they start a media blitz, that's a different story.


At some point, the liberals will realize that POTUS is theirs unless Drumpf continues to snowball. Rube or J. Cruz can't beat Hillary or even Flanders.

The Dems will realize that defeating Donald now will both assure them the presidency and blow up the GOP. That's all good. At that point, the MSM will get in line with Uncle Mitt. Right and Left will join hands to slay the vulgar alien.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:19:35

How come Fivethirtyeight has Trump at 338 delegates and every place else has him at 319?

That is the difference between 538 saying he is "on track" for the nomination and him... not being on track.

EDIT: Well I guess maybe not the difference. 538 says Trump's "target" right now would be 297, so even 319 is ahead of that... but at this point in the game 19 delegates added to Trump's total is a non-trivial amount.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:23:11

mozartpc27 wrote:How come Fivethirtyeight has Trump at 338 delegates and every place else has him at 319?

That is the difference between 538 saying he is "on track" for the nomination and him... not being on track.

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/705262638264152064

If he and Wasserman agree, then they're probably right and everyone else is wrong. Two twitter must follows as well @Taniel and @Redistrict

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:25:54

mozartpc27 wrote:How come Fivethirtyeight has Trump at 338 delegates and every place else has him at 319?

That is the difference between 538 saying he is "on track" for the nomination and him... not being on track.

EDIT: Well I guess maybe not the difference. 538 says Trump's "target" right now would be 297, so even 319 is ahead of that... but at this point in the game 19 delegates added to Trump's total is a non-trivial amount.
Good question. Looks like there are little differences in a bunch of state and not one egregious error. I don't even know where you'd find the source of record if you wanted to do it yourself. Ask nate or one of the political writers (probably have better luck with not Nate) on twitter and they may actually respond. Wasserman probably knows whats up.

edit: i see jh has covered.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:27:30

jerseyhoya wrote:Two twitter must follows as well @Taniel and @Redistrict


Merci.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Mar 03, 2016 15:27:59

Did Donald Trump just suggest that Mitt Romney would "drop to his knees" if he asked him?

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Mar 03, 2016 16:20:07

Gimpy wrote:
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Gimpy wrote:I'd rather see Romney as the Republican nomination than anyone currently alive on the right. I hope he swoops in and steals the nomination.


I take it you are a Democrat.


Independent. Romney's pretty moderate. There's a good chance I'd vote for him over Hillary.


You're obviously not part of the 47%.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 03, 2016 16:23:28

JFLNYC wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
Brantt wrote:
Gimpy wrote:I'd rather see Romney as the Republican nomination than anyone currently alive on the right. I hope he swoops in and steals the nomination.


I take it you are a Democrat.


Independent. Romney's pretty moderate. There's a good chance I'd vote for him over Hillary.


You're obviously not part of the 47%.

Romney is less of the establishment compared to Clinton. She's a terrible, horrible, no-good very bad person who has done nothing of substance except everything wrong! And Romney's a moderate guy who is gonna stick it to the banks! Obamacare was a giveaway to the corporations and Romney will fix that1
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 03, 2016 16:26:52

at gimpy, housh

he'll vote for anyone over Clinton, ANYONE! Rubio, Romney, Kasich, Sanders. all the same, all better than that fraud piece of shit Clinton!
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Mar 03, 2016 16:27:51

gotcha again

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 03, 2016 16:28:13

goddamit, housh would have 100,000 posts if he didnt do the stealth delete
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby wwry » Thu Mar 03, 2016 17:07:46

please, nobody vote for mitt romney
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Gimpy » Thu Mar 03, 2016 17:13:29

Romney's moderate for a republican. Weird to mention Obamacare since it was modeled off of the health plan in Massachusetts.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby SK790 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 17:14:03

Just so you all know, nobody with an R next to their name is a moderate.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 03, 2016 17:14:22

You didn't get my barb
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby SK790 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 17:16:57

Gimpy wrote:Romney's moderate for a republican. Weird to mention Obamacare since it was modeled off of the health plan in Massachusetts.

You mean the healthcare plan he spent a whole year campaigning against 4 years ago?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Stripes » Thu Mar 03, 2016 18:44:02

Gimpy wrote:I'd rather see Romney as the Republican nomination than anyone currently alive on the right. I hope he swoops in and steals the nomination.


I've been saying that for months
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