Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 10, 2016 14:46:36

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Thousands of residents in Mass that wanted to register as an independent have accidentally registered for the United Independent Party and thus can only vote on that party's ballot during the primary

http://www.wbur.org/2016/02/09/galvin-m ... on-primary



but if they registered independent they couldn't vote in any primary correct? WIN!

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 10, 2016 14:48:13

Aha, no. I guess it's like WA. WE NEED ONE SET OF RULES DANGIT SO I DON'T KEEP GETTING CONFUSED

If you’re registered as an unenrolled voter, you can choose which party ballot to pull on primary day.

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Werthless » Wed Feb 10, 2016 14:55:44

CalvinBall wrote:
Trump is the most dangerous major candidate for president in memory. He pairs terrible ideas with an alarming temperament; he's a racist, a sexist, and a demagogue, but he's also a narcissist, a bully, and a dilettante. He lies so constantly and so fluently that it's hard to know if he even realizes he's lying. He delights in schoolyard taunts and luxuriates in backlash.



http://www.vox.com/2016/2/10/10956978/d ... terrifying

He's our Putin.

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 15:03:57

At one point I thought for a moment that Christie would be the nominee, because he can play Trump Lite and I thought Trump was bout to crash and burn. Oh well. Someone check on jh and make sure he's OK.

My instinct still tells me Rubio pulls this out - Kasich is underfunded and about to do poorly in a bunch of places, Bush is and has been dead man walking, and Christie is out - so there is no reasonable alternative. Can't see Trump or Cruz winning many more "blue" states in the Republican primary - NY, CA, MA, OR, WA, VT, NJ, MD - these all seem like places where country club Republicans should rule the day. But most of them don't vote for a while - so Rubio has to hope that Kasich and Bush have their come to Jesus moments sooner rather than later, and that Cruz and Trump split the forthcoming states. If those two things don't happen, and Rubio and Bush even, let's say, wind up splitting the establishment vote and either Trump or Cruz gets on a roll, I don't know.

As recently as yesterday I thought there was no actual way Trump or Cruz could be the nominee but it now seems starkly possible.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Brantt » Wed Feb 10, 2016 15:33:45

mozartpc27 wrote:At one point I thought for a moment that Christie would be the nominee, because he can play Trump Lite and I thought Trump was bout to crash and burn. Oh well. Someone check on jh and make sure he's OK.

My instinct still tells me Rubio pulls this out - Kasich is underfunded and about to do poorly in a bunch of places, Bush is and has been dead man walking, and Christie is out - so there is no reasonable alternative. Can't see Trump or Cruz winning many more "blue" states in the Republican primary - NY, CA, MA, OR, WA, VT, NJ, MD - these all seem like places where country club Republicans should rule the day. But most of them don't vote for a while - so Rubio has to hope that Kasich and Bush have their come to Jesus moments sooner rather than later, and that Cruz and Trump split the forthcoming states. If those two things don't happen, and Rubio and Bush even, let's say, wind up splitting the establishment vote and either Trump or Cruz gets on a roll, I don't know.

As recently as yesterday I thought there was no actual way Trump or Cruz could be the nominee but it now seems starkly possible.



Once Hillary defeats Bernie, there will be a lot of Bernie supporters who go to support Trump.

There is a lot of people who are like me.............Trump 1, Bernie 2. Or Bernie 1, Trump 2.

Lots of articles about this out of New Hampshire. People aren't voting on ideological lines, rather voting against the rigged system. Exit polls really confirmed that yesterday, especially in NH.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Wed Feb 10, 2016 15:49:10

I want Christie to stay in the race and stay the hell out of NJ. We're much better off without him.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 10, 2016 16:09:10

people vote with their ideologies, for the most part (including independents, who are not very independent). Moving from Bernie to Trump isn't a real thing that will be done by any sort of significant portion of the electorate. they'll simply stay home if they feel they don't have a horse.

when it comes to crunch time, things change when it comes time to belly up to the bar. a lot of things people say don't actually come to fruition, including voting for a billionaire who is leading the republican party because you think he'll 'unrig' the system. newsflash: he won't.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 16:23:17

Fiorina is OUT

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Feb 10, 2016 16:28:33

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Also, Ta-Nehisi Coates announced that he's voting for Sanders.

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Feb 10, 2016 16:37:26

And now Michelle Alexander is telling African-Americans to not surrender their vote to Hillary.

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 10, 2016 16:43:18

Doll Is Mine wrote:And now Michelle Alexander is telling African-Americans to not surrender their vote to Hillary.

i mean i get her reasoning but buried in that was this:

The biggest problem with Bernie, in the end, is that he’s running as a Democrat—as a member of a political party that not only capitulated to right-wing demagoguery but is now owned and controlled by a relatively small number of millionaires and billionaires. Yes, Sanders has raised millions from small donors, but should he become president, he would also become part of what he has otherwise derided as “the establishment.” Even if Bernie’s racial-justice views evolve, I hold little hope that a political revolution will occur within the Democratic Party without a sustained outside movement forcing truly transformational change. I am inclined to believe that it would be easier to build a new party than to save the Democratic Party from itself.

Of course, the idea of building a new political party terrifies most progressives, who understandably fear that it would open the door for a right-wing extremist to get elected. So we play the game of lesser evils. This game has gone on for decades. W.E.B. Du Bois, the eminent scholar and co-founder of the NAACP, shocked many when he refused to play along with this game in the 1956 election, defending his refusal to vote on the grounds that “there is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I do or say.” While the true losers and winners of this game are highly predictable, the game of lesser evils makes for great entertainment and can now be viewed 24 hours a day on cable-news networks. Hillary believes that she can win this game in 2016 because this time she’s got us, the black vote, in her back pocket—her lucky card

she wants to burn it all down, basically. in the process of burning you'll cede control to the conservatives whole hog. i guess that's playing a 'game of lesser evils' to her. the idea sounds great (blowing up the party). actually DOING it is a big problem. there's no winning with purists involved. but hey, i'm an establishment person who goes establishing everywhere.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Feb 10, 2016 16:51:22

It's a strange time I'd say. Bernie Sanders seems to have awaken something in liberals and it seems to be coming from a good chuck of the left who feel that Obama compromised too much with the Republicans after he won in 2008 when it was clear that the Republicans had no interest in doing the same.

I'm one of those. I think Obama could've fought more for liberal causes but I'm not ready and willing to blow it all up.

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby traderdave » Wed Feb 10, 2016 17:03:04

BigEd76 wrote:Fiorina is OUT


The GOP nominating season just got slightly less embarrassing. Now it is time for Christie and Carson to make the walk of shame.

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 10, 2016 17:27:18

Bernie has received almost $6M in individual donations since results were finalized last night.

TYPICAL POLITICIAN BUYING THE ELECTION

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 10, 2016 17:51:01

What Sanders has done is taken some basic values of the left, and distilled them into appealing platitudes. In this respect, he's doing something quite like Ronald Reagan did with conservatism back in the eighties. I don't know if Sanders will be as effective in governing on the off chance he actually wins, I don't know if he'll help the Dems capture the Senate, and I don't know if any other Dem out there can build on the rhetorical progress, but there's just such a huge appeal to statements like: "Nobody who works 40 hours should live in poverty" it should be obvious why he's doing so well.

Again, look at his Iowa ad--it's moving. It speaks to an patriotic and optimistic and even idealistic young person.

Another interesting parallel--Reagan was also an old man who had an unusual ability to connect with young, first time voters.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Feb 10, 2016 18:09:05

Gimpy wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:He has an anxiety disorder.

He has panic attacks and often freezes under unexpected pressure.


Is that true? Like he was diagnosed with something like that? Doesn't sound like a great quality in a president.


I can't find the article now and I forgot to post the link for some reason. The article went through several stories from friends who say he's very anxious and unsure of himself. And that he overreacts to stressful events. You're right, not a good quality in a president.

But as for a diagnosis, I don't think so. I was just basing that on the stories and putting a name to it. I don't know what else you'd call it, but as far as I know he's never had that actual diagnosis.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 10, 2016 18:12:39

Chris Christie is....

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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 10, 2016 19:13:25

I remain faithfully unimpressed with the choices. Winnowing off the dead wood does little as there is not much there. Trump & Bernie are different sides of a coin that scares me for unique reasons, but both scare the hell out of me. Cruz disgusts me. Rubio is an A ball player picked up in some warped rule 5 draft. Hillary has political chops, but I am in the boat where she is not a likable human.

I cannot make any claims of knowledge about Merkle's political qualifications when she entered office, but she has a freaking PhD in Physics. That background is copletely unthinkable for a presidential candidate in the US. We seem to have cornered the market on loudmouths and ideologist, but are, in my opinion, lacking in outright intelligence, and governance.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 10, 2016 19:39:05

Brantt wrote:Once Hillary defeats Bernie, there will be a lot of Bernie supporters who go to support Trump.

There is a lot of people who are like me.............Trump 1, Bernie 2. Or Bernie 1, Trump 2.


No sentient mammal is going to waste a vote on Turnip. He's a repulsive clown, an empty suit, a profoundly ill-informed adult, and a loser. And that's just drawing on 'conventional' Republicans' array of attitudes about him.

Turnip is loathed by a bigger % of the R party than his share of primary votes. His 30ish % in NH is less than "the college of establishment Rs" garnered.

In a general election, vs a cardboard cutout of Martin O'Malley, Turnip would perform worse than Goldwater.
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Re: Primary Cholers, or the Caucusin' Chat Circle (Politics)

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 10, 2016 20:09:12

Just heard someone at bowling say 'that guy is right. Obama KNEW what he was doing. Our poor grandkids.'
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