CalvinBall wrote:Christie reportedly announcing he is suspending his campaign sometime today.

pacino wrote:someone needs to give him a map so he can find new jersey

TomatoPie wrote:

Brantt wrote:There's two things I've loved thus far........

1. Tons of people are voting. Record turnout in both Iowa and NH. Thank you Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

2. This is the closest to a political revolution we've ever been in my view. Two anti-establishment outsiders, completely different ideologies, massive support. I'm loving it.

I really like the idea of tossing aside the establishment. I just wish it wasn't an idiot blowhard like Trump and a farilytale Robin Hood.

I'd vote for Sanders over Trump, but both of these guys are scary in their misperceptions of the world and basic math.

Squire wrote:The wildcard is Bloomberg but he's going to have to make a decision before he really knows whether Hillary will ultimately prevail. If its Hillary-Trump-Bloomberg, Hillary wins easily. If its Bernie-Trump-Bloomberg I think Bloomberg can actually win the Presidency.

Brantt wrote:

Squire wrote:The wildcard is Bloomberg but he's going to have to make a decision before he really knows whether Hillary will ultimately prevail. If its Hillary-Trump-Bloomberg, Hillary wins easily. If its Bernie-Trump-Bloomberg I think Bloomberg can actually win the Presidency.

In both of those scenarios, Trump wins easily.

He's dying for Bloomberg to jump in.

Warszawa wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

Brantt wrote:There's two things I've loved thus far........

1. Tons of people are voting. Record turnout in both Iowa and NH. Thank you Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

2. This is the closest to a political revolution we've ever been in my view. Two anti-establishment outsiders, completely different ideologies, massive support. I'm loving it.

I really like the idea of tossing aside the establishment. I just wish it wasn't an idiot blowhard like Trump and a farilytale Robin Hood.

I'd vote for Sanders over Trump, but both of these guys are scary in their misperceptions of the world and basic math.

What does Robin Hood not understand about the world?

TomatoPie wrote:

Warszawa wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

Brantt wrote:There's two things I've loved thus far........

1. Tons of people are voting. Record turnout in both Iowa and NH. Thank you Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

2. This is the closest to a political revolution we've ever been in my view. Two anti-establishment outsiders, completely different ideologies, massive support. I'm loving it.

I really like the idea of tossing aside the establishment. I just wish it wasn't an idiot blowhard like Trump and a farilytale Robin Hood.

I'd vote for Sanders over Trump, but both of these guys are scary in their misperceptions of the world and basic math.

What does Robin Hood not understand about the world?

Like Trump, he correctly senses that the game is rigged. And that needs fixin'.

But his policies are laughable; anyone with an 8th grade education can see how his health care approach would balloon the costs.

Free College for Everyone is nice. You get a diploma! YOU get a dilpoma! EVERYBODY gets a diploma. But of course it's wrong-headed to think that we should focus on college for all when our public schools are failing in K-12. It's not like there's a huge supply of academically qualified people who are denied college because it costs too much. If we ever have that happy problem, then let's talk about free college. And, of course - college costs so much for the same reason that health care costs keep spiraling - the influx of government monies distorts rational market behavior. Throwing money at it is like throwing gasoline on a fire. Government money (which we don't have) is not the solution - it's the problem.

Maggie Thatcher said it best. It's not glib to say and understand that the problem with socialism is that you run out of other peoples' money. Nothing is "Free" -- free (to Bernie supporters) just means somebody else pays for it.

The fundamental issue with socialism is that it penalizes productive behavior and it rewards sloth. It moves people from being contributors to being takers. It's caused poverty and misery every where it's been tried. It works better and lasts longer in smaller, homogenous societies like Northern Europe, but the bills are coming due there. And the ugly nationalism as they turn away immigrants that they can't afford to enroll in their social programs.

Bernie's heart is in the right place, no question. But bread and circuses can't lead to prosperity.

SK790 wrote:

Brantt wrote:

Squire wrote:The wildcard is Bloomberg but he's going to have to make a decision before he really knows whether Hillary will ultimately prevail. If its Hillary-Trump-Bloomberg, Hillary wins easily. If its Bernie-Trump-Bloomberg I think Bloomberg can actually win the Presidency.

In both of those scenarios, Trump wins easily.

He's dying for Bloomberg to jump in.

Wow

Squire wrote:For what its worth I think Brant's analysis of how it plays out now on the R side is correct. Bush won't go away because of money. Rubio is really wounded because Christie took him out and Kasich isn't polling well in the next series of states. Unless the other establishment guys bow out soon its Trump v. Cruz for a while.

TomatoPie wrote:But his policies are laughable; anyone with an 8th grade education can see how his health care approach would balloon the costs.

Brantt wrote:-Pro-abortion

TomatoPie wrote:The fundamental issue with socialism is that it penalizes productive behavior and it rewards sloth. It moves people from being contributors to being takers. It's caused poverty and misery every where it's been tried.

thephan wrote:

Brantt wrote:-Pro-abortion

Lets drop this term immediately. No one is pro-abortion except genocidal maniacs. It is like saying people who favor gun rights are pro-murder. So I find this just unnecessary.

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:The fundamental issue with socialism is that it penalizes productive behavior and it rewards sloth. It moves people from being contributors to being takers. It's caused poverty and misery every where it's been tried.

You're confusing socialism with soviet-style communism. The socialism that's been installed for decades in leading western european and scandinavian nations has done ok, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Sort of like our corporate capitalism. What's #$!&@ those models and probably others is, or will be, trends in wealth concentration.

Trump is the most dangerous major candidate for president in memory. He pairs terrible ideas with an alarming temperament; he's a racist, a sexist, and a demagogue, but he's also a narcissist, a bully, and a dilettante. He lies so constantly and so fluently that it's hard to know if he even realizes he's lying. He delights in schoolyard taunts and luxuriates in backlash.

pacino wrote:it's fairly inevitable. Nate Silver has been predicting it for months, but for some reason we are ignoring him this year because he's telling us something we don't want to hear (much like the 2014 Senate results where he predicted a big Republican swing).

edit: I'm not saying anything against Bernie with the above. I like Bernie. It's just facts.