Isn't it just a more extreme version of what happens in America? Policy is dictated by the extremes on either end of the spectrum because they care about it more than the moderates.

Now add the extreme poverty and backwards governments present in some of these places, how these groups have some money and can offer people some meaning, and you get what you have here. You need the moderates to outweigh the radicals by a lot for the radicals not to take power.

It's much more complicated obviously than that but I think that's a lot of it simply put.

There is a school of thought that believes Islam negates any kind of democracy because religion and the state is intertwined so completely that there is little difference. No seperation of church and state for certain. If you do have a secular dictatorship, then King Hussain in Jordan is about the best case scenario for the rank and file. Western educated, generally tolerant regime, big time hatred against any form of Islamic radicalism

There is still hope in Istanbul, albeit as Turkey further goes down the hole of Erdogan it loses a grip on its secular democracy. The Kurds are a hope, too, IMO. It's kind of funny/sad these two groups can't coexist (largelly due to Turkey).
a glimmer of hope in Tunisia, too

Can someone kindly explain why the left shows great support for Muslims yet not the same for Mormons? Replace Muhammad with Joseph Smith and they pretty much share all the same values.

is there a left wing push-back against mormons?

huh

Definitely the magic underpants

CalvinBall wrote:is there a left wing push-back against mormons?

They're not so friendly to the lgbt community much like Muslims. Harry Reid is probably one of the few exceptions.

i dont think the situations or context are very comparable.

azrider wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:is there a left wing push-back against mormons?

They're not so friendly to the lgbt community much like Muslims. Harry Reid is probably one of the few exceptions.

What support of Islam are you talking about? Any support seems more about stopping people from being discriminated against v. a support of any religions teachings...

azrider wrote:Can someone kindly explain why the left shows great support for Muslims yet not the same for Mormons? Replace Muhammad with Joseph Smith and they pretty much share all the same values.

The Muslims the left wingers protect are the moderate ones who are a large portion of the 1.6 billion people who follow Islam. You're comparing a group that is overwhelmingly oppressed in Islamic controlled lands and outside against a small sect of people who live in the Rockies. Let me know when Mormons are undergoing a mass migration to escape a repressive regime and then we can compare the two...

SK790 wrote:

azrider wrote:Can someone kindly explain why the left shows great support for Muslims yet not the same for Mormons? Replace Muhammad with Joseph Smith and they pretty much share all the same values.

The Muslims the left wingers protect are the moderate ones who are a large portion of the 1.6 billion people who follow Islam. You're comparing a group that is overwhelmingly oppressed in Islamic controlled lands and outside against a small sect of people who live in the Rockies. Let me know when Mormons are undergoing a mass migration to escape a repressive regime and then we can compare the two...

they escaped California in droves!

MoBettle wrote:

azrider wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:is there a left wing push-back against mormons?

They're not so friendly to the lgbt community much like Muslims. Harry Reid is probably one of the few exceptions.

What support of Islam are you talking about? Any support seems more about stopping people from being discriminated against v. a support of any religions teachings...

There is a lot of discrimination against Mormons out here and very little support from the left. Granted it's easier to hide the underwear than a jihab.

we could never support any organization that thrust the osmonds upon the world

pacino wrote:

SK790 wrote:

azrider wrote:Can someone kindly explain why the left shows great support for Muslims yet not the same for Mormons? Replace Muhammad with Joseph Smith and they pretty much share all the same values.

The Muslims the left wingers protect are the moderate ones who are a large portion of the 1.6 billion people who follow Islam. You're comparing a group that is overwhelmingly oppressed in Islamic controlled lands and outside against a small sect of people who live in the Rockies. Let me know when Mormons are undergoing a mass migration to escape a repressive regime and then we can compare the two...

they escaped California in droves!

James Polk was such a tyrant!

azrider wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

azrider wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:is there a left wing push-back against mormons?

They're not so friendly to the lgbt community much like Muslims. Harry Reid is probably one of the few exceptions.

What support of Islam are you talking about? Any support seems more about stopping people from being discriminated against v. a support of any religions teachings...

There is a lot of discrimination against Mormons out here and very little support from the left. Granted it's easier to hide the underwear than a jihab.

if someone is fired or not rented an apartment because they are Mormon a law was broken. I'm not sure anyone disputes this is wrong? On the flipside, their leadership wants the freedom to discriminate in the same manner against other sorts of people and people can criticize that (just as they have Muslims who believe this). These two things can exist at the same time.

So the left is happy welcoming in a religion and it's people that is anti-gay and don't treat women as equal?

azrider wrote:So the left is happy welcoming in a religion and it's people that is anti-gay and don't treat women as equal?

#notallmuslims

azrider wrote:So the left is happy welcoming in a religion and it's people that is anti-gay and don't treat women as equal?

what are you even trying to say and what viewpoint are you even coming from

azrider wrote:So the left is happy welcoming in a religion and it's people that is anti-gay and don't treat women as equal?

yes? Has the left tried to not allow a certain type of people into the country lately?

i mean, you're comparing people who grow up in a largely sheltered community vs people who grow up in a place where mass murders are commonplace. trying to find a link between people who grow up in countries where education and even basic health needs are not available to large portions of the population to people who grew up in a place with sufficient public schooling and healthcare. mormons live in a peaceful environment and have to get made fun of sometimes; most muslims grow up living in fear that they might die the next day.