Houshphandzadeh wrote:and we just signed a new Pacific Rim trade agreement that is top-secret and no one is allowed to see but will do great things degrading the middle class even more. "huge success" for Obama

Soren wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:and we just signed a new Pacific Rim trade agreement that is top-secret and no one is allowed to see but will do great things degrading the middle class even more. "huge success" for Obama

Waiting for 3 paragraphs from jh on why this is great for pseudo-slaves in the pacific because they'll go from pennies a day to a full nickel a day.

And this system for setting global rules has some serious defects. We expect the laws that govern our economic lives will be made in a transparent, representative, and accountable fashion. The TPP negotiation process was none of these — it was secretive, it was dominated by powerful insiders, and provided little opportunity for public input.

The Obama administration argues that it's important for TPP to succeed so that the United States — not China — gets to shape the rules that govern trade across the Pacific. But this argument only makes sense if you believe US negotiators have been taking positions that are in the broad interests of the American public. If, as critics contend, USTR's agenda is heavily tilted toward the interests of a few well-connected interest groups, then the deal may not be good for America at all

Youseff wrote:in addition to me never meeting a Libertarian that didn't seem like the type of guy that wears white blazers to a dive bar, my least favorite thing about them is their retarded notion that regulating things has no affect on deterring behavior and so we may as well not try.

smitty wrote:It certainly didn't work for cigarette smoking. Nearly everyone smokes today. Oh, wait, that's in China.

SK790 wrote:Human embodiment of a shit stain Bobby Jindal bravely wants to eliminate the corporate tax and the estate tax, but wants to make sure the real moochers in this society pay their fair share: selfish poor people who are paying no taxes.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bobby-jinda ... 1444172400

Werthless wrote:

Youseff wrote:in addition to me never meeting a Libertarian that didn't seem like the type of guy that wears white blazers to a dive bar, my least favorite thing about them is their retarded notion that regulating things has no affect on deterring behavior and so we may as well not try.

Huh? I don't even have to purport to speak for all libertarians to counter this, as most libertarians would not make the argument that laws and regulation have no effect on outcomes. I must be misinterpreting your words. Do you actually think libertarians are against government rules and regulations because the laws don't have any effect? The law of unintended consequences is that there are no consequences?