phatj wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:It's gonna be hard and may take a generation. Might as well not try. Weird attitude to have.

Who said that?

TomatoPie wrote:

pacino wrote:'The underclasses'. God, you're insufferable.

Lighten up, Frances. You ignored Doc's point and my response in order to take righteous offense.

drsmooth wrote:
I have to concede he does seem really transfixed by class issues

drsmooth wrote:

phatj wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:It's gonna be hard and may take a generation. Might as well not try. Weird attitude to have.

Who said that?

The guy who always uses weird as a perjorative. As if his normal was what anyone should obviously aspire to

TomatoPie wrote:

drsmooth wrote:
I have to concede he does seem really transfixed by class issues

Spot-on, presuming by "transfixed" you mean unwilling to PC-pretend that there are no class distinctions in America.

jerseyhoya wrote:But I think it's an odd disconnect that bad event happens, and policy solutions XYZ are put forward, and had policy solutions XYZ been in place they wouldn't have prevented bad event, but the very serious people act like we need to enact XYZ to prevent bad event from happening again, and the very serious people blame the very bad people who blocked policy solutions XYZ from being passed last time for bad event happening. This seems to happen pretty much every time there's a mass shooting. One might suggest this is disingenuous.

pacino wrote:Mike Huckabee talked about changing the 1st amendment to limit what media can say

Invictus, a 32-year-old lawyer who changed his given name — which he declines to reveal — to a Latin phrase that means "majestic unconquered sun," says Wyllie is just running a smear campaign and is twisting his words into lies. No, he says, he's not a white supremacist, pointing out his four children are Hispanic — though he acknowledges that some white supremacists support his campaign. No, he says he isn't trying to start a civil war, but he says the government already is at war with its citizens and that it's certain to escalate.

"The only question is when are the citizens going to start fighting back?" he said in a phone interview Friday. "I don't think I'm the only person who sees a cataclysm coming, but I think I'm the only person saying it, and I think that scares people."

Sacrifice? Yes. Brutal and sadistic? Not according to Invictus.

"I did sacrifice a goat. I know that's probably a quibble in the mind of most Americans," he said. "I sacrificed an animal to the god of the wilderness ... Yes, I drank the goat's blood."

He admits he's been investigated by the FBI, the U.S. Marshals and other law enforcement. He is confident they're still watching him, in part for a series of YouTube videos and other writings in which he discusses government. He renounced his citizenship in one paper, and in another he prophesied a great war, saying he would wander into the wilderness and return bearing revolution.

"I guess it makes me feel flattered that they think I am a threat to the stability of the system. It makes me think one man can make a difference," Invictus said.

He insists, though, that he doesn't advocate violence.

"You do not initiate force," he said. "If the government is waging war on citizens, we as citizens have the right to self-defense on government."

Invictus knows running as a Libertarian is a longshot — Wyllie was easily Florida's most well-received Libertarian candidate and he only received 3.8 percent of the vote — and he acknowledges that being a pagan will hurt him with an electorate that tends to support Christians. But he said he is running with the hope of speaking on the Senate floor.

Werthless wrote:For the record, that's not me.

phatj wrote:Real Libertarians sacrifice virgins