jerseyhoya wrote:

SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think Trump would probably run the best among Democrats out of all of the Republicans running. He's a non-traditional politician and has an appeal that transcends the normal ideological divide between the two parties. He tells you the system is broken and tells it like it is or whatever. And that against Hillary Clinton will peel off plenty of Dem voters because she's not exactly the perfect representative of the working class while she is an avatar of our broken political system.

The flip side of that is he'd probably run the worst among Republicans out of all of the Republicans running. He'd crater with the college educated, professional class side of the party.

Has anyone done a poll on Trump support wrt educational level? I bet it's weighted heavily toward the "dropped out in 5th grade" demographic.

Who Are Trump's Supporters

First, Trump’s support is not particularly ideological. In recent YouGov polls, 20 percent of his supporters describe themselves as “liberal” or “moderate,” with 65 percent saying they are “conservative” and only 13 percent labeling themselves as “very conservative.” Less than a third of his supporters say they are involved with the Tea Party movement. Their views put them on the right side of the American electorate, but they cover the Republican mainstream.

In terms of demographics, Trump’s supporters are a bit older, less educated and earn less than the average Republican. Slightly over half are women. About half are between 45 and 64 years of age, with another 34 percent over 65 years old and less than 2 percent younger than 30. One half of his voters have a high school education or less, compared to 19 percent with a college or post-graduate degree. Slightly over a third of his supporters earn less than $50,000 per year, while 11 percent earn over $100,000 per year. Definitely not country club Republicans, but not terribly unusual either.

For reference - in the 2012 election the educational attainment breakdown of the electorate according to the exit polls was
3% Less than high school
21% High school grad
29% Some college
29% College grad
18% Post grad degree

Brantt wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Brantt wrote:No way. They are all talk and would hold their noses and vote for anyone over Hillary.

I may be the first to apprise you of this fact, but I'm afraid you have no idea at all what you're talking about.

We'll see.

Easily could be wrong. I think you are completely misreading the political climate and landscape.

drsmooth wrote:

Brantt wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Brantt wrote:No way. They are all talk and would hold their noses and vote for anyone over Hillary.

I may be the first to apprise you of this fact, but I'm afraid you have no idea at all what you're talking about.

We'll see.

Easily could be wrong. I think you are completely misreading the political climate and landscape.

You use absolutes a lot in expressing your views: "all", "anyone", "completely", "no", etc.

On that basis alone I feel comfortable discounting even more steeply just about any opinion you have about anything. It's a rule of thumb that's been pretty reliable for me.

drsmooth wrote:Bill Kristol has a great idea for disaffected Rs: encourage Tom Cotton (!!1!) or I shit you not Dick Cheney (!?!??) to run as independents

Fortunately Republicans pay as much attention to Bill Kristol as they do to Billy Crystal, maybe less

Brantt wrote:
It's a message board on the internet.......of course I speak in absolutes.

Duh.

drsmooth wrote:Here's the thing:

HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY IDEAS.

He's a scurvy human being who will not be nominated and will "disappear" back into the pop-cultural miasma from which he wafted, and not soon enough for anyone with 2 functioning brain cells.

jerseyhoya wrote:Bahahaha, Hillary's Super PAC's first negative hit on Bernie is over him congratulating/supporting Corbyn for winning the Labour leadership election. What in the actual fuck?

“It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from [Republican donors] the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson,” he added.

“Why would they do that? Why would they destroy evidence in a case that is yet to go back to trial that is on appeal? Why would anybody do that?” asks Don Knight, Glossip’s new lead attorney.

The second trial does contain a stipulation from the state conceding there was no physical evidence linking Glossip to the murder scene. In 1997 when the murder happened, the Oklahoma City crime lab was home of Joyce Gilchrist, a police chemist who would later supervise the DNA lab. Her testimony led to dozens of convictions, many were overturned after subsequent review found Gilchrist had misidentified evidence or testified outside the bounds of scientific knowledge. She was never charged and died earlier this year.

It is possible the shower curtain and other destroyed evidence could be tested today and aid in determining Glossip’s guilt. However, his attorneys say all the new evidence they’ve uncovered points to his innocence.

Glossip said he did get angry when he learned a former inmate who served in a cell near Sneed signed a sworn affidavit that Sneed was bragging about setting up Glossip for a crime he had no involvement in. However, Glossip said he let go of his anger. “I’m not even going to let Justin Sneed get away with trying to destroy the peace that I have in me. He's taken a lot from me; he's taken a lot from the Van Treese family.”

Where does his peace in the face of an execution come from? It comes from the wish Glossip conveyed to Fox 25 during his first interview with us. “It does give me peace knowing that everybody knows the truth now. They knew that Justin Sneed has been lying all along and that's all I wanted. That's all I can ask for, if the worst has to happen, that's all I can ask for is that people know that I was innocent.”

The governor’s office has held firm to its position not to grant a stay of execution, though that is a possibility, all the way up until the execution begins Wednesday afternoon. Supporters of his execution say they do not believe any of the new evidence presented by Glossip’s attorneys proves he was not involved in Van Treese’s murder.

pacino wrote:

SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think Trump would probably run the best among Democrats out of all of the Republicans running. He's a non-traditional politician and has an appeal that transcends the normal ideological divide between the two parties. He tells you the system is broken and tells it like it is or whatever. And that against Hillary Clinton will peel off plenty of Dem voters because she's not exactly the perfect representative of the working class while she is an avatar of our broken political system.

The flip side of that is he'd probably run the worst among Republicans out of all of the Republicans running. He'd crater with the college educated, professional class side of the party.

Has anyone done a poll on Trump support wrt educational level? I bet it's weighted heavily toward the "dropped out in 5th grade" demographic.

No, I don't think the polls show that. He cuts across most GOP subsets except 'establishment' and if you want an experienced politicans.

mozartpc27 wrote:

drsmooth wrote:Here's the thing:

HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY IDEAS.

He's a scurvy human being who will not be nominated and will "disappear" back into the pop-cultural miasma from which he wafted, and not soon enough for anyone with 2 functioning brain cells.

As if to prove doc's point, this article suggests to me that the Trump thing is finally beginning its slow fade - Carson may be having his moment now (i.e., maybe he has crested), or maybe it comes after tomorrow night. Next up, Fiorina. Ted Cruz in the hole. Good god Santorum may have another go round in him (I doubt it however). Don't think the polling will ever show serious flirtations with Paul (too niche), Huckabee (too obviously interested in self-promotion and playing to just one small segment), Pataki (too totally irrelevant), Jindal (too 2006), Graham (too... that way), Christie (too huggy), or Gilmore (too anonymous). Until whenever we finally get to the real nominee: still say it's going to be Walker, though Bush, Rubio, and perhaps Kasich are serious contenders.

pacino wrote:Egypt killed 12 Mexican tourists because they mistook them for insurgents
wow

CalvinBall wrote:boehner is getting overthrown apparently?