swishnicholson wrote:As a left leaning independent, I thought Kasich and Christie came off well, Huckabee and Cruz came off as wackos , Trump was entertaining as hell and I hope he's in it for the long run, and all of the others neither made a particularly good or bad impression. Well, Paul may have stumbled a bit.


Which probably means Huckabee and Cruz were the clear winners.

"Left leaning" unless I'm confusing your posts with smitty again, there is no lean. You are on the left.

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:In my personal primary - Christie, Rubio, and Kasich were winners. Jeb and Walker were losers. I don't think Jeb has another gear, and he wasn't terrible, but he is just blah. I think he'd be a good president, but blah. I hope Walker is able to grow as these things go along. I get that given his position he doesn't have to take risks, but some degree of extemporaneous speech at some point would be good. Christie, Rubio, and Kasich are good at these things and thought they were all good tonight.

your teevee was on the fritz, there were 5 other participants

There were 5 people in the late show whom I might vote for in the primary. The people I did not mention won't be receiving my vote in the primary unless the aforementioned 5 (and Perry and maybe Jindal and Fiorina) drop out and/or die. So how they performed did not affect my personal decision making process. So I did not mention them.

Kind of surprised at that, Jindal is a bad politician who probably wouldn't spend political capital wisely.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Kind of surprised at that, Jindal is a bad politician who probably wouldn't spend political capital wisely.

Vs. Trump, Carson, Cruz, Huckabee, or Paul?

Like, Lindsey Graham has all the same terrible characteristics Jindal has as a presidential candidate but infinitely more evidence he is a competent human being

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Kind of surprised at that, Jindal is a bad politician who probably wouldn't spend political capital wisely.

Vs. Trump, Carson, Cruz, Huckabee, or Paul?

I thought you were putting him in your top 8, and I'm kind of shocked you consider him more viable than Paul.

jerseyhoya wrote:In my personal primary - Christie, Rubio, and Kasich were winners. Jeb and Walker were losers. I don't think Jeb has another gear, and he wasn't terrible, but he is just blah. I think he'd be a good president, but blah. I hope Walker is able to grow as these things go along. I get that given his position he doesn't have to take risks, but some degree of extemporaneous speech at some point would be good. Christie, Rubio, and Kasich are good at these things and thought they were all good tonight.

i thought Rubio did well among those who were listening to what he said, but I think the twitter remark that "Marco Rubio looks like he still gets a lollipop every time he gets a haircut" may have struck something regarding him coming across as less than presidential. His immigration remarks that America was somehow both the "most generous nation in the world regarding immigration" and yet" millions of people who had paid their fees and done their paperwork were unable to immigrate" came out as disjointed on what should have been a bread and butter issue. And I'm not sure his appeal to sympathy will play very well with the base.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Like, Lindsey Graham has all the same terrible characteristics Jindal has as a presidential candidate but infinitely more evidence he is a competent human being

Jindal is a former Rhodes scholar who has served as secretary of Louisiana's Health and Hospitals and the president of the University of Louisiana system, was a two term congressman, and has been a two term governor of Louisiana. He's 44 years old. He really seems to struggle on some things and is not in the top tier for many good reasons, but he's done OK for himself through the years. If he's in position to win the nomination, it means he's figured out a way to play on his strengths and not be too terrible. His ceiling and potential appeal to me as a voter is miles ahead of any of the other five I mentioned. He's got serious liabilities, and I imagine he'll run a campaign where he has a few red meat lines and fizzles out after Iowa, but with the field this unwieldy, who knows.

jerseyhoya wrote:Schumer comes out against the Iran deal - long statement with his many issues with the agreement. I guess the future leader of the Senate Democrats is siding with the Iranian hardliners too now.

he's counted votes & knows the veto is override-proof. So he can oppose it without real consequence. Good.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Kind of surprised at that, Jindal is a bad politician who probably wouldn't spend political capital wisely.

Vs. Trump, Carson, Cruz, Huckabee, or Paul?

I thought you were putting him in your top 8, and I'm kind of shocked you consider him more viable than Paul.

I don't think Bobby Jindal is more viable than Rand Paul

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Schumer comes out against the Iran deal - long statement with his many issues with the agreement. I guess the future leader of the Senate Democrats is siding with the Iranian hardliners too now.

he's counted votes & knows the veto is override-proof. So he can oppose it without real consequence. Good.

Dana Bash ‏@DanaBashCNN 6m
Scoop:I'm told @SenSchumer planned to announce Iran decision fri. But after he gave wh heads up today it got leaked to @HuffingtonPost

Lol, this White House manages to make Chuck Freaking Schumer look classy.

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Kind of surprised at that, Jindal is a bad politician who probably wouldn't spend political capital wisely.

Vs. Trump, Carson, Cruz, Huckabee, or Paul?

I thought you were putting him in your top 8, and I'm kind of shocked you consider him more viable than Paul.

I don't think Bobby Jindal is more viable than Rand Paul

Damn, this was a great night of TV and I enjoyed it with some crown. I'm going to go to bed now.

jerseyhoya wrote:...and Perry...

Perry?

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Schumer comes out against the Iran deal - long statement with his many issues with the agreement. I guess the future leader of the Senate Democrats is siding with the Iranian hardliners too now.

he's counted votes & knows the veto is override-proof. So he can oppose it without real consequence. Good.

Dana Bash ‏@DanaBashCNN 6m
Scoop:I'm told @SenSchumer planned to announce Iran decision fri. But after he gave wh heads up today it got leaked to @HuffingtonPost

Lol, this White House manages to make Chuck Freaking Schumer look classy.

I'm surprised you don't understand Schumer doesn't care whether they leak that now or not

The veto will hold and the deal will go forward and all of your writhing and snorting will be for naught

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Schumer comes out against the Iran deal - long statement with his many issues with the agreement. I guess the future leader of the Senate Democrats is siding with the Iranian hardliners too now.

he's counted votes & knows the veto is override-proof. So he can oppose it without real consequence. Good.

Dana Bash ‏@DanaBashCNN 6m
Scoop:I'm told @SenSchumer planned to announce Iran decision fri. But after he gave wh heads up today it got leaked to @HuffingtonPost

Lol, this White House manages to make Chuck Freaking Schumer look classy.

the crushing blow of having your decision leaked 8 hours before it would have any way must be a real cross to bear.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:As a left leaning independent, I thought Kasich and Christie came off well, Huckabee and Cruz came off as wackos , Trump was entertaining as hell and I hope he's in it for the long run, and all of the others neither made a particularly good or bad impression. Well, Paul may have stumbled a bit.


Which probably means Huckabee and Cruz were the clear winners.

"Left leaning" unless I'm confusing your posts with smitty again, there is no lean. You are on the left.

Sorry, I must have been mistaken about my beliefs. Though I also think smitty leans right, unless his tailor was lying.

SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Schumer comes out against the Iran deal - long statement with his many issues with the agreement. I guess the future leader of the Senate Democrats is siding with the Iranian hardliners too now.

he's counted votes & knows the veto is override-proof. So he can oppose it without real consequence. Good.

Dana Bash ‏@DanaBashCNN 6m
Scoop:I'm told @SenSchumer planned to announce Iran decision fri. But after he gave wh heads up today it got leaked to @HuffingtonPost

Lol, this White House manages to make Chuck Freaking Schumer look classy.

the crushing blow of having your decision leaked 8 hours before it would have any way must be a real cross to bear.

Schumer gave them the courtesy of a day's advance notice before he came out against the deal, and they leaked it during the debate to bury it. We'll see what Schumer says about it tomorrow. Maybe this was all coordinated between them, but I'm not sure if it was why Schumer's people would make it clear the White House leaked it early making them look like dicks.

Trump, clown, is going to badger Mexico, Russia, China, etc. into better 'deals' for the US through force of personality, but cannot handle the tough questions from Megyn Kelly, so he whines about her. That's what real leaders do.

jerseyhoya wrote:

SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Schumer comes out against the Iran deal - long statement with his many issues with the agreement. I guess the future leader of the Senate Democrats is siding with the Iranian hardliners too now.

he's counted votes & knows the veto is override-proof. So he can oppose it without real consequence. Good.

Dana Bash ‏@DanaBashCNN 6m
Scoop:I'm told @SenSchumer planned to announce Iran decision fri. But after he gave wh heads up today it got leaked to @HuffingtonPost

Lol, this White House manages to make Chuck Freaking Schumer look classy.

the crushing blow of having your decision leaked 8 hours before it would have any way must be a real cross to bear.

Schumer gave them the courtesy of a day's advance notice before he came out against the deal, and they leaked it during the debate to bury it. We'll see what Schumer says about it tomorrow. Maybe this was all coordinated between them, but I'm not sure if it was why Schumer's people would make it clear the White House leaked it early making them look like dicks.

I'm sure the editors of "Business Etiquette Bi-Monthly" are on it.

jerseyhoya wrote:Trump, clown, is going to badger Mexico, Russia, China, etc. into better 'deals' for the US through force of personality, but cannot handle the tough questions from Megyn Kelly, so he whines about her. That's what real leaders do.

it's funny because this is what CEOS and leaders of smaller businesses do to succeed in a capitalistic society. glad the ideals you're rooting for finally has a face.