Soren wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Gov. Wolf vetoed a bill that would have allowed private sales of wine and liquor in PA this week

He suggested in his veto message that it would have resulted in higher prices and less selection, which holds up for a tenth of a second until you look at the private liquor stores in New Jersey which have more selection for lower prices.

Yea pretty disingenuous from the governor. It's about losing high paying union jobs state wide.

The impression I've gotten is more like pacino referred to-that he's willing to bend on this to get what he really wants in terms of education, fracking taxes, etc. I'd be very surprised not to see privatizing some time in the next few years.

pacino wrote:bye:

DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. (WKRN) – The employees of the Decatur County clerk’s office in west Tennessee have resigned from their positions.

Clerk Gwen Pope and employees Sharon Bell and Mickey Butler all said their resignations was due to the Supreme Court’s decision to allow same-sex marriages.

The decision reportedly clashes with the employees’ religious beliefs. Their last day will be July 14.

Currently, the Decatur County’s clerk office will not issue a same-sex license.

Just Wednesday, the Associated Press reported all 95 counties in Tennessee are following last week’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling that overturned bans on same-sex marriage. Clerks are legally allowed to refuse to perform the marriages, but must issue the licenses.

I thought for sure this was a typo by pacino, but this sentence actually appeared in the paper. What is the world coming to?

Copy editing is a thing of the past for many papers. Too expensive or something.

Wolf is awesome, the veto of the entire budget was boss.

Hopefully he has a strong run and favorables over the next four years. He has a background that would play very well in presidential politics.

swishnicholson wrote:

pacino wrote:bye:

DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. (WKRN) – The employees of the Decatur County clerk’s office in west Tennessee have resigned from their positions.

Clerk Gwen Pope and employees Sharon Bell and Mickey Butler all said their resignations was due to the Supreme Court’s decision to allow same-sex marriages.

The decision reportedly clashes with the employees’ religious beliefs. Their last day will be July 14.

Currently, the Decatur County’s clerk office will not issue a same-sex license.

Just Wednesday, the Associated Press reported all 95 counties in Tennessee are following last week’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling that overturned bans on same-sex marriage. Clerks are legally allowed to refuse to perform the marriages, but must issue the licenses.

I thought for sure this was a typo by pacino, but this sentence actually appeared in the paper. What is the world coming to?

they was in a hurry to publish

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Crude insults! And wrong! The docsmooth politics thread experience!

I'm wrong that the aspect of the Bloomberg article you posted a link to, and emphasized, to the exclusion of what its authors emphasized, was not in fact the emphasis of the article you posted a link to, and emphasized, to the exclusion of what its authors emphasized? If that's what you're on about, you really need to explain that in more detail.

Or maybe you feel that I'm wrong when I suggest that you essentially wound up agreeing with me on Greece. I KNOW that would make you apoplectic, but sometimes you have to take a little apoplexy with your truth.

You wrote this "I commented on the Greeks feelings about another heaping helping of austerity; you reply by insinuating that that Bloomberg article you linked to contained evidence that 4 of 5 Greeks were all for more scourging, when in fact, like most other reporting on the situation there, the poll results that article dwells on find Greek opinion split on austerity.

4 in 5 may favor keeping the euro as a currency, but on the 4th of July 4 in 5 real americans like hot dogs, or the idea of hot dogs, or something."

There was no insinuation in my post that 4 in 5 Greeks were all for more scourging. Which should be clear enough.

They're not muddling their exasperation with Tspiras with their stand on austerity. They're weighing which of two things the vast majority of the country supports - staying in the Euro and ending the austerity regime - is more important, taking into account the uncertainty of either/both things happening depending on how they vote. Vote Yes and they keep the Euro along with austerity. Vote No and they might get rid of some of the austerity effects, but they also might get rid of the Euro and experience the tremendous short term upheaval that would come with that.

I think if you think keeping the Euro is a nothing detail like Americans saying they like hot dogs, then you're pretty badly misreading the situation.

As for us agreeing, it's plain as day that the best thing for the Greeks is for their debt to be forgiven in part or whole while they get to stay within the Euro. The tricky bit is I don't think that's super likely to happen in response to them voting No. Given that voting No becomes much less appealing. We'll know in the next couple of days what actually happens.

pacino wrote:bye:

DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. (WKRN) – The employees of the Decatur County clerk’s office in west Tennessee have resigned from their positions.

Clerk Gwen Pope and employees Sharon Bell and Mickey Butler all said their resignations was due to the Supreme Court’s decision to allow same-sex marriages.

The decision reportedly clashes with the employees’ religious beliefs. Their last day will be July 14.

Currently, the Decatur County’s clerk office will not issue a same-sex license.

Just Wednesday, the Associated Press reported all 95 counties in Tennessee are following last week’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling that overturned bans on same-sex marriage. Clerks are legally allowed to refuse to perform the marriages, but must issue the licenses.

Yeh, see ya later.

I do, however, give them credit for following through on their convictions by leaving the job rather than staying in their job and demanding that people not get married or refusing to grant licenses. If they don't feel comfortable granting the licenses as part of their secular jobs in the government, then they should leave, and that's what they did. I'm sure some like-minded individuals/companies will hire them right away. They'll probably all get raises for the show.

Heh

jerseyhoya wrote:There was no insinuation in my post that 4 in 5 Greeks were all for more scourging. Which should be clear enough.

I can only conclude that you don't know what "insinuation" means. You underscore that 4 of 5 greeks want to stay with the Euro, as if that was what the referendum centered on, and link to an article presumably to support your assertion that gives approximately two sentences (plus a nifty graph!) to that matter as it reports on the country's division over the referendum vote.

Those with the strongest conviction that a no vote means "no Euro for you (Greeks)"? You and Martin Schulz

Even the French, who surrender at the first shot over any matter, are muddled about it. From your Bloomberg article:

French President Francois Hollande said that “if it’s a ‘yes,’ negotiations can quickly re-start” on a fresh bailout. “If it’s a no, we are in unknown territory"

I just got off the phone with my sister in Greece. My family is voted no.

The early results are coming in and the no's lead by 3, 51% to 48%.

I feel pretty good on my knowledge of what the word insinuation means.

Do you think the voters who voted Yes did so because they like austerity? Of course not. They voted Yes because they like the Euro and fear the uncertainty that would come from voting No. The future of Greece in the Eurozone was a major part of the referendum. Why you're minimizing it, I have no idea.

Doll Is Mine wrote:I just got off the phone with my sister in Greece. My family is voted no.

The early results are coming in and the no's lead by 3, 51% to 48%.

No results yet, just polls from today

jerseyhoya wrote:I feel pretty good on my knowledge of what the word insinuation means.

Do you think the voters who voted Yes did so because they like austerity? Of course not. They voted Yes because they like the Euro and fear the uncertainty that would come from voting No. The future of Greece in the Eurozone was a major part of the referendum. Why you're minimizing it, I have no idea.

I'm not minimizing it. I'm pointing out that the assertion that a no vote definitively means the end of Euro for Greece is a favorite of Martin Schulz, ***EDIT - ye gods, internet - European parliament president***, and, apparently, you. And not really all that many other people, including many, many Greeks. Otherwise, 1.5 of 5 Greeks know less about how they feel the vote ramifies on them than you and Martin Schulz

To put it another way, in the off-chance that you're still flummoxed, 4 of 5 greeks like the Euro, and yet half of Greeks have expressed an inclination to vote no in their referendum. So a goodly portion of "Euro likers" - about 37% - are still inclined to vote no. They probably have some notion that their no vote doesn't mean the end of their Euro involvement.

You may have another interpretation, and of course are welcome to it.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:I just got off the phone with my sister in Greece. My family is voted no.

The early results are coming in and the no's lead by 3, 51% to 48%.

No results yet, just polls from today

some finance rag wrote: Exit Polls Suggest "No" Winning (FXStreet (Bali) - Sun, Jul 05 2015, 16:29 - Greek polling has just closed and the initial exit polls suggest Greek voters have rejected the creditors bailout proposal, notes Richard Kelly, Head of Global Strategy at TD Securities....

four polls all put No ahead:

· GPO: Yes/No at 48.5%/51.5%

· Metron: Yes/No at 48%/52%.

· Skai: Yes/No at 48.5%/51.5%

· Macro No: Yes/No at 48%/52%

way, way too early to tell anything much other than that the polls are closed

A district in Pireaus. Hopefully this is a sign.

DiM, post a link to the results page, please - the ministry's site is ... unhelpful.

drsmooth wrote:DiM, post a link to the results page, please - the ministry's site is ... unhelpful.

Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. I'm getting the results from Twitter.