Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Mar 01, 2015 16:19:42

pacino wrote:most all medical societies state there is no link

AMA, American Cancer Society, National Cancer Institute, American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, German Cancer Research Center, Canadian Cancer Society...

(Canadian cancer is polite and apologizes for killing you)



From teh interwebs and teh wikipedia...
Joel Brind, a faculty member at Baruch College in the Department of Natural Sciences, is the primary advocate of an abortion–breast cancer link. Brind is strongly anti-abortion and began lobbying politicians with the claim that abortion caused breast cancer in the early 1990s.

Brind found that his lobbying efforts were not taken seriously because he had not published his findings in the peer-reviewed medical literature. He therefore collaborated with two anti-abortion physicians and a statistician to publish a 1996 article in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. Although not an epidemiologist himself, Brind reviewed existing studies on abortion and breast cancer, which as a collection were inconsistent in methodologies and conclusions. Brind did not conduct any research himself. Brind's paper was criticized in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute for ignoring the role of response bias and for a "blurring of association with causation". Within months, Danish epidemiologists and scientists issued a better study that refuted Brind's conclusions.

Brind blames the lack of support for his findings on a conspiracy, arguing that the National Cancer Institute and other major medical organizations are engaged in a "cover-up" for the purpose of "protecting the abortion industry".


Brind's hypothesis is loosely based on the fact that levels of estrogen, progesterone, and estradiol increase during early pregnancy to produce breast growth in preparation for lactation. He hypothesizes that if this process is interrupted by an abortion, the new breast cells don't mature and thus result in a greater risk of breast cancer.

When Brind had a "spiritual awakening" and converted from Judaism to Christianity he wrote "With a new belief in a meaningful universe, I felt compelled to use science for its noblest, life-saving purpose." IMO, this is fine, even admirable, providing it is conducted in a truly scientific manner and conclusions are not influenced by bias or agenda. But that isn't the case with Brind here. He is basically an agenda-driven scientist.

* Catholic theology identifies abortion as a sin because it is the willful murder of a person, but is forgivable by the grace of God. To warn against sin and to forgive transgressions are two hallmarks of Christian thought, essentially a simultaneous combination of condemning the sin and compassion for the sinner. There's nothing wrong with either doctrine as long as the components of true compassion and forgiveness are present in a proportion equal or greater than the transgression condemnation component.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:44:17

current longest running congress member, Mikulski, going to retire
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:20:41

Republican legislative leadership is a sight to behold
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:22:05

O'Malley would have made an interesting rabbit for Hillary but Mikulski's seat seems easier/more long-term rewarding for him...?
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Mar 02, 2015 15:59:11

For those interested in New Jersey, I'd just like to make clear that the level of disgust I have for "Democrat"Stephen Sweeney is far greater than I have for Christie.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 02, 2015 16:02:20

TomatoPie wrote:http://www.cnet.com/news/i-support-net-neutrality-that-is-not-what-the-fcc-just-did/

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Mar 02, 2015 20:17:18

TomatoPie wrote:http://www.cnet.com/news/i-support-net-neutrality-that-is-not-what-the-fcc-just-did/

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 02, 2015 23:19:23

gonna have a Hillary emailgate

puts those jokey jpegs of her texting in a new light
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 03, 2015 00:57:33

David Frum ‏@davidfrum
Jeez, you people. Next you’ll be demanding that the US Secretary of State not accept gratuities from foreign governments.

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:15:11

Other than maybe that she claims she never used email at all for State Dept biz, & has evidence of that, how is she not in deep shit

Seems like a funny way to get out of running for Prez
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:35:49

jerseyhoya wrote:
David Frum ‏@davidfrum
Jeez, you people. Next you’ll be demanding that the US Secretary of State not accept gratuities from foreign governments.


say, is that the same David Frum who just conceded in The Atlantic that ACA's SC affirmation is a - no, wait, the only - reality awaiting Republicans, so they should just get used to it? (His half-hearted & mostly ridiculous proposed amendments, we can ignore)

the opinions he's got
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 03, 2015 09:02:14

So much vigilance against private email usage. Glad to see so many people finally on my side. All it took was a Democrat to do it.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:03:28

pacino wrote:So much vigilance against private email usage. Glad to see so many people finally on my side. All it took was a Democrat to do it.


For a second I thought we were in the work thread and I quickly closed my gmail tab.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:24:06

a lot of what ISIL claimed to have destroyed are fakes. They were doing a show. Most of it was long ago shipped to Baghdad for safe keeping. IMAGINE THAT
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:27:11

swishnicholson wrote:For those interested in New Jersey, I'd just like to make clear that the level of disgust I have for "Democrat"Stephen Sweeney is far greater than I have for Christie.

the objective impact of the pipeline on the Pinelands is going to be small. Unless you are against any type of development on the Pinelands in principle, this really should be a non-issue.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:03:09

Turns out John Kerry is the first SoS to actually use the Dept's email as his primary.

Clinton wasn't allowed to use 2 email addresses for public and private stuff on her blackberry so she chose the private one for all communications. And this has been known since 2013 so it's unclear why people care now.
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:24:26

Good discussion on the relative merits of subsidizing solar energy in a previous locked politics thread.

Forbes guest writer David Willams read that thread, apparently.

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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby Soren » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:28:41

did we make fun of Inhofe for the ridiculous snow ball thing?
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Re: Repealing and Vetoing Our Way Forward (Politics Thread)

Postby drsmooth » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:37:08

Bibi warning Congress, in excruciating detail, that Iran will have a full arsenal of nukes within weeks of conclusion of a deal

He's been saying about the same thing for 15 years.

Even his congressional friends are looking at each other wondering "wtf"
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