Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Sep 05, 2014 14:43:02

A Horrifying Miscarriage of Justice in North Carolina:
The convictions of two mentally disabled half-brothers were vacated and the two men were ordered released by Superior Court Judge Douglas Sasser in North Carolina on Tuesday. They were freed from prison Wednesday. Henry Lee McCollum, 50, had been on death row for 30 years, longer than anyone else in North Carolina history. He and Leon Brown, 46, who was serving a life sentence, were convicted for the 1983 rape and murder of an 11-year-old girl. DNA evidence implicated another man, a known sex offender the police had not investigated, despite the fact that he lived next to the crime scene. McCollum and Brown were 19 and 15 at the time local police were investigating the murder of Sabrina Buie. Both confessed to the crime after lengthy police interrogations. They recanted shortly after—in fact McCollum has recanted 226 times—but were convicted, largely on the basis of the false confessions, even though no physical evidence connected them to the crime scene. Police also hid exculpatory evidence for years.

A cigarette found at the crime scene now implicates a man who lived a block away from the soybean field where the girl’s body was found. He is currently serving a life sentence for a rape and murder that happened less than a month after Buie’s rape and murder.

The two teenagers signed confessions after hours of coercive police interrogation, under the erroneous belief that they’d be allowed to go home afterward. Both have since always maintained their innocence, filing various appeals over the intervening decades. It wasn’t until 2010, when the North Carolina Innocence Inquiry Commission came into the case, that the evidence was re-examined seriously. In July, the DNA on the cigarette butt found at the crime scene was revealed to match the DNA of the known sex offender. This led to Tuesday’s extraordinary release order.

Why would two innocent people confess falsely? This always seems beyond imagining. Brandon Garrett of the University of Virginia School of Law has done extensive research on the question of why people confess to crimes they did not commit. In his study of the first 250 DNA exonerations for his book Convicting the Innocent, Garrett found that 40 of the 250 (or 16 percent) of the wrongful convictions happened when innocent defendants confessed to crimes they did not commit. (His updated data is here, showing that the patterns have held steady as the cases have increased.) As he reported in Slate in 2011:

Of those 40 exonerees who confessed, for instance, 14 were mentally disabled or borderline mentally disabled, and three more (at least) were mentally ill. Thirteen of the 40 were juveniles. All but four were interrogated for more than three hours at a sitting. Seven described their involvement in the crime as coming to them in a “dream” or “vision.” Seven were told they had failed polygraph tests. ... Despite all these hints that their confessions were lengthy and coercive, and despite the fact that they were mostly vulnerable individuals, none had any luck challenging their confessions before trial. The confessions were thought to be such powerful evidence of guilt that eight were convicted despite DNA tests at trial that in fact excluded them as the culprit.


Those who believe that we don’t execute the undeserving in America—or who aren’t too concerned about that possibility anyhow—have an ally in Justice Antonin Scalia. He famously insisted in Kansas v. Marsh that “"it should be noted at the outset that the dissent does not discuss a single case—not one—in which it is clear that a person was executed for a crime he did not commit. If such an event had occurred in recent years, we would not have to hunt for it; the innocent’s name would be shouted from the rooftops by the abolition lobby.”
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When McCollum’s own case came before the high court, Scalia voted not to hear it. Blackmun again wrote a dissent from that decision, again chastising Scalia for failing to understand the stakes: “Buddy McCollum is mentally retarded,” he explained. “He has an IQ between 60 and 69 and the mental age of a 9-year old. He reads on a second grade level. This factor alone persuades me that the death penalty in his case is unconstitutional.” Interestingly, Blackmun never seems to have doubted McCollum’s guilt. He simply believed the man was mentally unfit for execution. What a difference a few decades of DNA exonerations make!

Several years after he baited Blackmun over McCollum, Scalia floated the notion that executing even innocents doesn’t violate the Constitution. After the court ordered a retrial in a controversial capital case, Scalia wrote for himself and Justice Clarence Thomas, that “[t]his court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is ‘actually’ innocent.”
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby SK790 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 15:19:40

I for one am shocked that Scalia contradicted himself. Oh well, just a couple of innocent mentally ill dudes dying, who cares?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 15:56:15

who "actually" cares?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Fri Sep 05, 2014 16:32:45

I care.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 16:38:17

(i was making a joke about the last line in pac's quoted article)
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Fri Sep 05, 2014 16:46:25

An occasional reminder that libertarians have feelings seems needed.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 16:49:25

:-D
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Sep 06, 2014 06:10:38

My only condolence is that if there really is a Hell, Scalia will surely rot forever in it.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:14:51

Monkeyboy wrote:My only condolence is that if there really is a Hell, Scalia will surely rot forever in it.


But if he's "actually" there forever, does he ever "actually" rot?

Because there needs to be rot.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:16:48

7 men were arrested in Egypt and charged with 'debauchery' for participating in a same-sex wedding celebration.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Sep 08, 2014 15:29:11

So all the momentum is on an independent Scotland, and there's panic in London and in the markets.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ble-labour

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... dependence
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Mon Sep 08, 2014 15:46:52

panic on the streets of london

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:23:00

If Scotland goes independent, does it become a republic, or do they dig up some Stuart somewhere and crown him king? I mean, they wouldn't still have to live under the tyranny of those inbred Hanovers would they?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:35:14

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/woul ... t-scotland

Answered my own question. How disappointing.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Tue Sep 09, 2014 16:57:23

Just voted. As of 4:36, I was the 37th person to have done so on that machine. One of maybe five or six machines in the polling site.

Democracy sometimes depresses the heck out of me.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby smitty » Tue Sep 09, 2014 17:06:43

In Washington, almost all the voting is done via mail in ballots. Haven't been to a polling place in a LNG time. It would be interesting to see how this has effected voting participation but I don't recall ever seeing anything about it. Might have to search the trusty internets.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Sep 09, 2014 17:54:43

dajafi wrote:Just voted. As of 4:36, I was the 37th person to have done so on that machine. One of maybe five or six machines in the polling site.

Democracy sometimes depresses the heck out of me.


We get to vote on the Scotland thingy?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Sep 09, 2014 18:00:02

Hope Teachout wins
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Tue Sep 09, 2014 19:43:50

pacino wrote:Hope Teachout wins


Pretty much why I voted. I'm not sure I actually hope she *wins,* but I sure want her to throw a major scare into Cuomo.

And it would be legitimately great if Tim Wu, her running mate, beat why-is-she-even-a-"Democrat" Kathy Hochul.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 09, 2014 19:52:15

dajafi wrote:
pacino wrote:Hope Teachout wins


Pretty much why I voted. I'm not sure I actually hope she *wins,* but I sure want her to throw a major scare into Cuomo.

And it would be legitimately great if Tim Wu, her running mate, beat why-is-she-even-a-"Democrat" Kathy Hochul.

DKElections tweeted something yesterday or today quoting Hochul complaining she didn't realize when she accepted his offer to run as LG that she would have to win the primary on her own, and that they weren't a ticket

Good job looking into the job you're seeking

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