Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Aug 19, 2014 18:28:46

American photojournalist James Wright Foley was beheaded by ISIS. In the video apparently threats were made by an ISIS fighter in British accented English that another journalist they've been holding will meet the same fate if we don't stop the air support bombing campaign in Iraq.

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These people are awful and should have lots of bombs dropped on their heads #nuanced

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Tue Aug 19, 2014 18:40:00

HAMAS started firing rockets into Israel again, Israel starts up the airstrikes in response.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Youseff » Tue Aug 19, 2014 21:44:00

I've gone down the ISIS Twitter account wormholes before. They're even worse than the tcot Twitter wormholes, believe it or not.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Aug 19, 2014 22:42:59

jerseyhoya wrote:These people are awful and should have lots of bombs dropped on their heads #nuanced


Light the motherfuckers up. In fact, light the mothers of these fuckers up.

good work on the thread title, too
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Tue Aug 19, 2014 22:57:46

I feel like if one thing can unite almost the entirety of this painfully divided world, it's the conviction that those ISIS people are fucking assholes to whom bad things should happen.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Aug 19, 2014 23:29:08

I posted the first of these in the last thread, but all five parts are now out. VICE had a reporter embedded with the IS people. Pretty fucked up stuff, unsurprisingly.










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Postby Polar Bear Phan » Wed Aug 20, 2014 00:24:50

Only watched the second of those, but holy shit. :shock:

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Aug 20, 2014 03:57:44

GOP nominated its favored candidate for Senate in Alaska tonight.

The NRSC has basically thrown a perfect game this primary season. With the challenges to incumbents and the unelectable in the general sorts thrown forward by the tea party in some races, the job they managed is really remarkable.

The GOP does have ongoing issues in primaries that hinder the party in generals, but for reasons of good 'establishment' candidates and shitty challengers and ready incumbents none of that broke through this time. And no one else here really cares, but the folks in the national party deserve a massive fucking tip of the cap for navigating this minefield. Without it we wouldn't be set up so damn well to pick up 6+ seats in November to get the majority back. If this attention to primaries had occurred in the past two cycles, we might already be in the majority, and if not it would be a complete layup this cycle.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 20, 2014 05:37:49

I have some sympathy for those who followed Hamas because Fatah was corrupt and ineffective and people were desperate for an alternative. Add in the things Hamas did for the people (schools, etc) and I get the initial appeal to people who were frustrated and distrustful of a leadership that had led them nowhere in decades.

But anyone who follows these fucking ISIS assholes has to have a screw loose. I don't know that bombing is the answer because it seems to play into their hands, but it would be nice to find a way to end them now.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 20, 2014 07:03:00

In the chaotic shitholes these malnourished, ignorant wretches live in, they are no doubt intimidating many now, toting rifles to back up their 'spiritual' decrees, but even there, even now, people tell them to fuck off - like the guy at ~1.25 of the 3rd clip, reaching into the truck. The 11 & 12 year old boys are all excited about their cause - what kid that age doesn't get torqued up by authoritarian carrying-on? - but even the older teenagers/young men hedge, and on camera.

At about 6:15 of the same clip, the Hisbah 'protagonist' indirectly suggests their 'organization' is struggling to maintain even the crude cultural/'religious' enforcement apparatus they've cobbled together. The small crowd of merchants pleads with him to intervene with the new boss on their behalf to give leniency to one of their chums. He waffles, knowing nobody'd give him the time of day about their problems. They're verging on overwhelmed by the petty crap their busybody micromanaging stirs up. Their edifice relies on the efforts of guys like the green, worn, "information" drudge riding around in the truck, "happy" he & his buddy can never see their families because of all this bullshit they're up to. Uh-huh, they've got triumph written all over them.

The world these fuckups inhabit is miserable mostly because of empowered sociopaths like Assad, not because of these cockroaches
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 20, 2014 07:22:54

jerseyhoya wrote:The NRSC has basically thrown a perfect game this primary season. With the challenges to incumbents and the unelectable in the general sorts thrown forward by the tea party in some races, the job they managed is really remarkable.

The GOP does have ongoing issues in primaries that hinder the party in generals, but for reasons of good 'establishment' candidates and shitty challengers and ready incumbents none of that broke through this time. And no one else here really cares, but the folks in the national party deserve a massive fucking tip of the cap for navigating this minefield. Without it we wouldn't be set up so damn well to pick up 6+ seats in November to get the majority back. If this attention to primaries had occurred in the past two cycles, we might already be in the majority, and if not it would be a complete layup this cycle.


Congratulations - your mainstream has been co-opted by the truly odious nuts on "your team's" wing. That should be just great for all the rest of us.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 20, 2014 07:32:29

Bucky - you asked, and the interactive map of US migration thing guys delivered

Jerz, your find now includes migration TO information, as well as migration from (or is that the other way around?). Anyway, you have to look closely for the little 'see movement the other way' "show" link with the narrative for each state's graphic, but it's there
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Aug 20, 2014 08:47:37

Georgia County will not pay medical bills for baby their flash bomb injured:
683 Tweet 683TweetOfficials in a Georgia county are refusing to pay medical expenses for a toddler badly injured during a police raid on the home where the boy was staying.

Bounkham Phonesavanh was hospitalized for weeks in a burn unit after a SWAT officer tossed a flash grenade into his crib during a no-knock raid May 28 in Habersham County.

The 19-month-old suffered serious wounds, including a hole in his chest that exposed his ribs, and burns to his face and chest when the grenade detonated just inches away from him as he slept.

The grenades were developed for combat use and are intended to temporarily blind and deafen anyone nearby.

Officials in Habersham County, which conducted the drug raid, have turned down the family’s request to pay for the boy’s medical bills, saying they’re not allowed to help.

“The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses,” county attorney Donnie Hunt said in a statement. “After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.”

But the Phonesavanh family isn’t satisfied with the decision or the explanation, their attorney said.

The attorney said an independent investigation in June found the county used faulty information to obtain the search warrant, and the county continues to examine its handling of the case.

A state senator has introduced legislation to limit the issuing of no-knock warrants in Georgia, although he admits a previous attempt in 2006 failed.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Aug 20, 2014 09:16:34

Great thread title, jh.

pacino wrote:Georgia County will not pay medical bills for baby their flash bomb injured:
683 Tweet 683TweetOfficials in a Georgia county are refusing to pay medical expenses for a toddler badly injured during a police raid on the home where the boy was staying.

Bounkham Phonesavanh was hospitalized for weeks in a burn unit after a SWAT officer tossed a flash grenade into his crib during a no-knock raid May 28 in Habersham County.

The 19-month-old suffered serious wounds, including a hole in his chest that exposed his ribs, and burns to his face and chest when the grenade detonated just inches away from him as he slept.

The grenades were developed for combat use and are intended to temporarily blind and deafen anyone nearby.

Officials in Habersham County, which conducted the drug raid, have turned down the family’s request to pay for the boy’s medical bills, saying they’re not allowed to help.

“The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses,” county attorney Donnie Hunt said in a statement. “After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.”

But the Phonesavanh family isn’t satisfied with the decision or the explanation, their attorney said.

The attorney said an independent investigation in June found the county used faulty information to obtain the search warrant, and the county continues to examine its handling of the case.

A state senator has introduced legislation to limit the issuing of no-knock warrants in Georgia, although he admits a previous attempt in 2006 failed.


So the county prefers a Tort Act claim to get filed against it--and possibly some civil rights violations to boot-- than simply acknowledge wrongdoing and pay some medical bills? Wow.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Aug 20, 2014 09:20:28

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Great thread title, jh.

pacino wrote:Georgia County will not pay medical bills for baby their flash bomb injured:
683 Tweet 683TweetOfficials in a Georgia county are refusing to pay medical expenses for a toddler badly injured during a police raid on the home where the boy was staying.

Bounkham Phonesavanh was hospitalized for weeks in a burn unit after a SWAT officer tossed a flash grenade into his crib during a no-knock raid May 28 in Habersham County.

The 19-month-old suffered serious wounds, including a hole in his chest that exposed his ribs, and burns to his face and chest when the grenade detonated just inches away from him as he slept.

The grenades were developed for combat use and are intended to temporarily blind and deafen anyone nearby.

Officials in Habersham County, which conducted the drug raid, have turned down the family’s request to pay for the boy’s medical bills, saying they’re not allowed to help.

“The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses,” county attorney Donnie Hunt said in a statement. “After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.”

But the Phonesavanh family isn’t satisfied with the decision or the explanation, their attorney said.

The attorney said an independent investigation in June found the county used faulty information to obtain the search warrant, and the county continues to examine its handling of the case.

A state senator has introduced legislation to limit the issuing of no-knock warrants in Georgia, although he admits a previous attempt in 2006 failed.


So the county prefers a Tort Act claim to get filed against it--and possibly some civil rights violations to boot-- than simply acknowledge wrongdoing and pay some medical bills? Wow.


There are probably state or municipal laws that prevent paying costs/bills without an official adjudication.
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Postby slugsrbad » Wed Aug 20, 2014 09:20:59

Especially since qualified immunity is a decent shield for police action.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:21:20

David Frum with a little something for everybody
Three big trends have decisively changed the Republican Party over the past decade, weakening its ability to win presidential elections and gravely inhibiting its ability to govern effectively if it nevertheless somehow were to win. First, Republicans have come to rely more and more on the votes of the elderly, the most government-dependent segment of the population -- a serious complication for a party committed to reducing government. Second, the Republican donor class has grown more ideologically extreme, encouraging congressional Republicans to embrace ever more radical tactics. Third, the party’s internal processes have rigidified, in ways that dangerously inhibit its ability to adapt to changing circumstances. The GOP can overcome the negative consequences of these changes and, in time, surely will. The ominous question for Republicans is, How much time will the overcoming take?

Bush’s deviations from conservative orthodoxy do explain why the party has veered rightward since 2008. But condemning deviations has also provided a welcome escape from uncomfortable questions about whether party orthodoxy still produces positive results under contemporary circumstances. After all, when it came to economic management, Bush governed very much in the manner of President Ronald Reagan, although he failed to achieve Reagan’s outcomes. Bush cut income taxes -- but instead of a 1980s-style boom, he got stagnating wages followed by a severe global recession. Like Reagan, Bush relaxed regulation of business, especially energy and finance. Instead of a surge in productivity, however, he presided over a housing bubble and a spike in gasoline prices.

What to think of this? Better not to think of it at all. Better to double down. Since 2006, those Republican politicians who have ventured new ideas have been compelled to disavow those experiments in order to retain any chance of surviving future party contests. Romney had to distance himself from the health-care reform he oversaw as governor of Massachusetts. Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich both had to walk back their early support for actions to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

The fear of the “tipping point” that gripped Republicans in 2012 was exactly wrong. Obamacare won’t turn Americans into grateful serfs, endlessly voting Democratic to guarantee their handouts. Every other advanced country has some kind of universal health-care program -- and also a center-right party that wins much (and even most) of the time. Right-of-center governments currently hold power in Australia, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and many other places. These parties haven’t run out of issues on which they can disagree with their social democratic opponents, and they’ve found plenty of voters willing to cast a ballot for private initiative and business enterprise.

Conservatism should be thriving in the United States. The Obama administration has raised taxes on high earners to the highest levels in 30 years, while failing to act on promises to reform the corporate tax system. Yet even as taxes rise, government revenues fall short of what’s needed to meet existing commitments to retirees -- never mind to fund the costly new social spending that is the chief domestic legacy of the Obama years. The health-care system in the United States continues to cost more and deliver worse results than that of any other developed country. Instead of market mechanisms to deal with climate change, the Obama administration has ordered up a new system of bureaucratic regulation of carbon emissions. More children are growing up in fatherless homes, more men in their prime working years have quit the job market, and the benefits of economic growth seem to be flowing to fewer and fewer families. Washington’s allies and rivals alike sense a weakening of American power -- and a loss of American purpose.

The United States desperately needs a party of business enterprise, of American leadership, and of work and family that can win elections and govern effectively. Instead, the country’s center-right has detoured into an ideological dead end. It must speak for a coalition broader than retirees and the rich. Above all, it must accept -- and even welcome -- that in the United States, as in every other developed country, universal health insurance is here to stay.


The stuff about the elderly--not just the obvious point about the cultural rearguard conflict, but the idea of "the pessimism of the old" coloring the Republican mindset and brand--struck me as particularly interesting.

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:47:01

The thing that strikes me is the fatherless home thing--a problem social conservatives should really be emphasizing. The problem is that the solutions that seem obvious to me--more support comprehensive sex education and access to birth control and economic policies that enhance stable employment for those missing fathers--are anathema to the conservative movement. Thus, as I've stated before, these people are really insincere.

The real problem is that so-called conservatives have abandon the kind of principled pragmatism that defined conservatism from the time of Burke. Instead, they've embraced ideological theories much like some of their counterparts on the left. They've embraced hair-brained nuts like Ayn Rand (I mean, even Hayek would seem a squish to some of these people) or a religious creed that seems to require ignoring any empirical evidence that contradicts a book written millennia ago or even worse a bizarre amalgamation of both. That is not conservatism--it in fact looks a lot more like Marxism than anything coming out of the left these days.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:52:14

slugsrbad wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Great thread title, jh.

pacino wrote:Georgia County will not pay medical bills for baby their flash bomb injured:
683 Tweet 683TweetOfficials in a Georgia county are refusing to pay medical expenses for a toddler badly injured during a police raid on the home where the boy was staying.

Bounkham Phonesavanh was hospitalized for weeks in a burn unit after a SWAT officer tossed a flash grenade into his crib during a no-knock raid May 28 in Habersham County.

The 19-month-old suffered serious wounds, including a hole in his chest that exposed his ribs, and burns to his face and chest when the grenade detonated just inches away from him as he slept.

The grenades were developed for combat use and are intended to temporarily blind and deafen anyone nearby.

Officials in Habersham County, which conducted the drug raid, have turned down the family’s request to pay for the boy’s medical bills, saying they’re not allowed to help.

“The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses,” county attorney Donnie Hunt said in a statement. “After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.”

But the Phonesavanh family isn’t satisfied with the decision or the explanation, their attorney said.

The attorney said an independent investigation in June found the county used faulty information to obtain the search warrant, and the county continues to examine its handling of the case.

A state senator has introduced legislation to limit the issuing of no-knock warrants in Georgia, although he admits a previous attempt in 2006 failed.


So the county prefers a Tort Act claim to get filed against it--and possibly some civil rights violations to boot-- than simply acknowledge wrongdoing and pay some medical bills? Wow.


There are probably state or municipal laws that prevent paying costs/bills without an official adjudication.

Doubtful. But if so, that's incredibly stupid and short-sighted. It's rare to find states or counties that have not waived sovereign immunity via a Tort Claims Act. And even if the government failed to enact a statute/ordinance waiving sovereign immunity (I quickly scanned their county ordinances and couldn't find one, but there weren't many ordinances period), there is nothing saying that it cannot voluntarily do so via official action.

Most Tort Claims Acts are set up to force a claimant to quickly put the state/county/municipality on notice, then the entity's version of a department of risk management evaluates the claim and determines whether to accept or deny liability. I've never seen one that barred pre-suit resolution. If the state or county has such a law/ordinance, that needs to be fixed immediately. But again, an official county action would likely supersede that anyway.

IMO, the real reason is likely that the county doesn't want to set the precedent of acknowledging wrongdoing by one of its officers against a resident of a house where they are executing a search warrant, so they simply denied it and said that they are prohibited from paying. Either that or they just didn't want to pay it and are bending over backwards.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Aug 20, 2014 19:27:45

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#Syria BREAKING: the #IS spokesman Abu Mosa who appeared in the @vicenews report was killed in #Raqqa province today

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