Rick Perry:

“There’s the obvious great concern that, because of the condition of the border from the standpoint of it not being secure and us not knowing who’s penetrating across, that individuals from ISIS and other terrorist states could be — and I think there’s a very real possibility that they may have already used that. We have no clear evidence of that. But your common sense tells you, when we’ve seen the number of criminal activities that have occurred — and I’m talking about the assault, the rapes, the murders by individuals that have come into this country illegally over the last five years — the idea that they would not be looking at and managing any of those types of tacts from that region is not a good place to be.”

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Yeh, even if he's completely innocent, it's laughable that a staunch republican would cry foul over trumped up charges on Perry. Welcome to every day of the Obama presidency.

I've ruminated on this one a bit, and it continues to strike me as a really fucking bizarre post

I think it's much more bizarre that you wouldn't understand I'm referring to the constant barrage of BS from the right about Obama, anything from Bengazi to his birth certificate nonsense to him being a secret Muslim who hates America. Given this, whining about Perry, when you don't even know the facts of the case yet (unless you are secretly working in the Austin DAs office), comes off a bit weak and crybabyish, imho.

You're probably just mad because this will make it harder to sue Obama for executive order overreach. Hard to publicly say that Perry was ok in using his powers to squash a person he didn't like at the same time that you're saying Obama has no right to appoint judges and address problems that need to be addressed quickly. Sure there's a difference between the two, but good luck parsing that for the American public.

Obama's legal fees are really piling up from all of his indictments. They are probably going to be as broke as the Clintons were when they left the white house.

the House literally just authorized Boehner to sue Obama.

Poor Perry. good thing you guys are here to defend him.

Do you know the details of the Perry case? Have you seen the evidence?

Youseff wrote:the House literally just authorized Boehner to sue Obama.

Yeh, and this Perry thing complicates all that, so the GOP is pissed.

my views of politics have gone through a maturation, and you could say a complex metamorphosis, to my current mindset, which is that I'd like Kang and Kodos to kill all of them.

you guys are kinda nuts for not remembering the heat that Bush got

ok, mr. implication with out validation. if you say so.

you really want me to like dig up links to petitions for Bush to be tried as a war criminal and whatnot? a million Daily Show clips? old facebook photos of Bush as a monkey? I can't believe you have this huge blind spot to only ten years. you can argue validity (obviously Bush sucks and I prefer Obama even though Obama sucks, too) but the idea that Obama is the first sitting president to have to endure tons of accusations is just silly

Bucky wrote:OBAMA PLAYED GOLF AFTER ISIS ADDRESS

You're probably doing fake outrage, but this really pissed me off. Way too close to Bush saying, "now watch this drive." Arguably worse given the specific human tragedy.

Obama consistently projects "I no longer give a shit." I support him and think on balance he's been good in office, but if he can't at least fake enthusiasm, I don't know what the point is.

yeah, I mean, that's all very obvious. the Democratic base demonized Bush as aggressively (but not as stupidly, I'd contend) as the Repub base has demonized Obummer. the big difference, of course, is that it didn't materialize in any sort of tangible, manifestation by Federal level Democrats (maybe Cynthia McKinney). I take exception (STRONG EXCEPTION) to your use of "you guys" and your implication that I didn't quote remember all the heat Bush got quote.

It's nothing compared to what Lincoln had to deal with. Though I don't know how often he was able to hit the links.

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Yeh, even if he's completely innocent, it's laughable that a staunch republican would cry foul over trumped up charges on Perry. Welcome to every day of the Obama presidency.

I've ruminated on this one a bit, and it continues to strike me as a really fucking bizarre post

I think it's much more bizarre that you wouldn't understand I'm referring to the constant barrage of BS from the right about Obama, anything from Bengazi to his birth certificate nonsense to him being a secret Muslim who hates America. Given this, whining about Perry, when you don't even know the facts of the case yet (unless you are secretly working in the Austin DAs office), comes off a bit weak and crybabyish, imho.

You're probably just mad because this will make it harder to sue Obama for executive order overreach. Hard to publicly say that Perry was ok in using his powers to squash a person he didn't like at the same time that you're saying Obama has no right to appoint judges and address problems that need to be addressed quickly. Sure there's a difference between the two, but good luck parsing that for the American public.

I understand that you're trying to equate the House holding hearings on Benghazi and people on Fox News saying false and mean things about Obama to a prosecutor indicting someone on fake bullshit that could send him to jail for the rest of his life. And that because the party I vote for has been harassing the president, I am not allowed to complain about people trying to put someone from my party in jail for bs reasons. I think that's a really weird way of looking at things.

I don't really care about Boehner's lawsuit one way or the other, though the means of suing to get an injunction against executive action you believe to be unwarranted is within the scope of normal political jostling, and they're not trying to get someone kicked out of office or thrown in jail for petty, political bullshit.

As for the prosecutor's evidence, I don't know beyond what was in the indictment and the various commentaries I've read about the laws and how it seems like trying to apply these statutes to Perry's actions is a major reach, and tremendously problematic on separation of powers and free speech grounds.The condemnation of the indictments range from across the spectrum. All of the largest editorial boards in the country have bashed the indictments ranging from the Wall Street Journal (Texas Chainsaw Prosecution) on the right to the USA Today (Rick Perry's Flimsy Indictment) in the center to the Washington Post (The Wrong Headed Case against Rick Perry) and the New York Times (Is Gov. Perry's Bad Judgement Really a Crime?) on the left. Are they all being whiny crybabies?

Youseff wrote:yeah, I mean, that's all very obvious. the Democratic base demonized Bush as aggressively (but not as stupidly, I'd contend) as the Repub base has demonized Obummer. the big difference, of course, is that it didn't materialize in any sort of tangible, manifestation by Federal level Democrats (maybe Cynthia McKinney). I take exception (STRONG EXCEPTION) to your use of "you guys" and your implication that I didn't quote remember all the heat Bush got quote.

fair enough. my bad!

I feed into it because I'm highly flawed, but my Facebook page is a microcosm of the hypocrisy of what you're saying, though. none of my Democratic friends care about Obama's mirror image transgressions as they did when it was coming from the Bush administration. I try to stay absolved by hating everyone, staying apathetic and having no hope for humanity.

jerseyhoya wrote:I understand that you're trying to equate the House holding hearings on Benghazi and people on Fox News saying false and mean things about Obama to a prosecutor indicting someone on fake bullshit that could send him to jail for the rest of his life

yeah, and monkeys could fly straight out of your ass

Houshphandzadeh wrote:you really want me to like dig up links to petitions for Bush to be tried as a war criminal and whatnot? a million Daily Show clips? old facebook photos of Bush as a monkey? I can't believe you have this huge blind spot to only ten years. you can argue validity (obviously Bush sucks and I prefer Obama even though Obama sucks, too) but the idea that Obama is the first sitting president to have to endure tons of accusations is just silly

Bush as a monkey doesn't have the same connotations as Obama as monkey

The first black president has most certainly had to endure way more bullshit than any of his predecessors

Everything is not equivalent

Youseff wrote:I try to stay absolved by hating everyone, staying apathetic and having no hope for humanity.

It IS the safest bet, isn't it? Of course, your liquor bill gets to be enormous.

It depends on what you mean by "bullshit". I would argue that any of the presidents that have been assassinated (or have had attempts made on their lives) have dealt with more bullshit than Obama.

But that's probably not what you mean. If you're looking at the last 40 years or so, then you're probably right. Bush dealt with a lot too, though in his case he brought a lot of that on himself. Clinton too, for that matter.