Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

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Postby Wizlah » Tue Sep 02, 2014 08:06:31

also solid analysis on why no campaign is struggling to stay ahead from Derek Bateman, former radio presenter on BBC Scotland's flagship radio show, Good Morning Scotland here. He's pro-indy, but a fairly illuminating.

The language of No has been to damn the SNP and Alex Salmond and aim all their propaganda at them while simultaneously spreading terror among Don’t Knows. But what have they said to the key group – the people of all parties and none who are not SNP but who nevertheless want independence? To them there is nothing tailored except an unconvincing Wait for Labour to Get In. It is as though their hatred of the SNP has blinded them to the hard fact that they can’t get the Nationalist vote so there’s little point in banging on about it and anyway, non-Nationalists who vote SNP for Holyrood have lost their fear of the party and certainly of the leadership which they see as far superior to the opposition.

This group is roughly double the SNP support in this referendum and yet does not relate to the party, does not call itself nationalist and will return to voting for Unionist parties for Westminster – if there’s a No. They are mostly Labour but have lost their fear of independence and have seen enough of Salmond and Sturgeon in action to get their measure. They deprecate their own leadership yet might respond to a sincere and winning case of a reformed Union.


Worth looking up his podcasts for some of his interviews, if you're interested in digging a bit deeper.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Wizlah » Tue Sep 02, 2014 08:08:59

LG, I'm curious as to whether the independence referendum has made any noise in your circles? SNP have indicated that removing Trident from Faslane is a definite demand, but are keen to join NATO as a non-nuclear power, on the basis that someone needs to be keeping an eye on that part of the north atlantic. I know that Trident is not considered to be a big part of US and NATO nuclear strategy, but wondered whether there have been any other implications mentioned e.g. SNP is determined to have a more lenient immigration policy (we need net immigration of about 2000 a year to deal with an ageing population), and there have been vociferous arguments from No campaigners that this will endanger the security of the UK, because we'll let all manner of terrorists in the back door.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:59:34

Wiz,

Europe isn't part of my portfolio, so I can't say with any certainty. I suspect there are folks looking at it, however.

With the Russians flying their strategic bombers into the North Sea with increasing regularity, if Scotland does become independent, they should seriously start investing in an Air Force and some Air Defense capabilities.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 02, 2014 13:13:18

That's great

Less great is the other American journalist ISIS was holding had his head cut off

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Sep 02, 2014 13:34:07

not sure how the two relate, but anyhoo


seems like a dumb move on their part. really dumb. also grotesque. condolences to his family.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Sep 02, 2014 13:51:09

Kill the chicken to scare the monkey

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Tue Sep 02, 2014 15:05:16

Former Wall Street fluffer Eric Cantor is making it official. An interview with a critic about what he'll be doing in his new job:

You hire an Eric Cantor. What do you expect him to get up to?
"Let’s look at Cantor’s résumé. Let’s look at all his investment-banking experience. Let’s look at his capital-markets experience. He has none. He has no experience or skills that would qualify him to be even an intern at a fifth-tier firm in the financial industry. I mean, come on! I love the spin. They’re pushing back this morning. They’re saying, 'This is really different! This isn’t like everybody else.'

"But Wall Street always goes with the sure bet and the well-worn path. They’re paying him a guaranteed — you’ve got to love Wall Street, you guarantee money because you can’t fail on Wall Street — they’re guaranteeing him $3.8 million. You don’t guarantee someone $3.8 million because you’re training him to be an investment banker.

"Wall Street is after what it’s always buying in Washington: access, influence, and unfair advantage. And Cantor is a big catch for anybody who wants access. Look, if you’re in congressional leadership for X number of years, you know plenty that’s worth a lot of money. If you’re the majority leader, who’s in charge of the agenda and vote counting? One of your jobs is to make sure you’re doling out favors to people. There are dozens and dozens of House members indebted to Eric Cantor for the things he’s done for them. You’re worth a lot.

"In addition, Eric Cantor knows why some things got done and other things didn’t get done. He knows why someone voted for or against a bill or amendment. He knows how to strategically target everybody in the House on the issues that anybody cares about in a way that’s close to unique. He’s not going to crudely do it in a way that puts the scarlet-L lobbyist on his lapel. He and the rest of the influence peddlers at the highest level of government work the shadows and do indirectly what the law prohibits them from doing directly."

What does that look like? What are the issues — the legislative and regulatory fronts — that Wall Street is currently trying to shape?
"The list of issues that Wall Street has in Washington is long, deep, and broad.

"They’re going to be fighting everything from tax policy on carried interest, to derivatives, to capital rules, to making sure the [Commodity Futures Trading Commission] is never properly funded, to making sure that the biggest deregulation bill since the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the mislabeled 'Jobs Act,' is put in place.

"You could go on and on and on."

Is there a good way to quantify the effect on the legislative process?
"There really isn’t. The clearest example is the total lack of funding for Wall Street’s cops, the SEC and the CFTC. You’re using funding to prevent Wall Street from being policed.

"Then there’s the constant attack on the regulators. Not only are they filing bills in the House that don’t go anywhere, they’re holding hearings, they’re dragging regulators up there. Take Mary Schapiro. She was there for four years, and she testified more than once a month! I think she appeared more than 40 times. That’s a level of harassment that is just beyond the pale. You’ve got to prepare. You’ve got to go up there. They buttonhole you before and after. They make phone calls. They write letters. It’s not just the SEC and the CFTC, either. It’s all the regulators, at the [Federal Reserve] and the Treasury and elsewhere.

"You don’t need to see the outcomes in terms of passed bills. It’s what they do with the battering ram from K Street, the lobbyists and lawyers, and the one-two punch from the politicians themselves."

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Tue Sep 02, 2014 15:34:53

http://uexpress.com/new-republic/2014/8 ... -revealing

Decent overview of what ISIL stands for...
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Tue Sep 02, 2014 15:58:55

^^

So basically losing was the best thing to ever happen to Cantor

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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Tue Sep 02, 2014 20:33:11

what kind of secret covert op with this administration leak tomorrow morning to take some of the attention away from its inaction on isis?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Rev_Beezer » Tue Sep 02, 2014 20:38:14

One of my friends growing up has an interesting take on foreign policy

Why cant Obama just admit his foreign policy failed and light up the sky
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Sep 02, 2014 22:49:18

TomatoPie wrote:https://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

Christina Hoff Sommers, a former philosophy professor, is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Sep 02, 2014 23:03:02

dajafi wrote:Former Wall Street fluffer Eric Cantor is making it official. An interview with a critic about what he'll be doing in his new job


Reading not too far between the lines, this may explain why, while Cantor will make personal bank, he's not landing at a headliner firm, but basically squeezing a smallish outfit that maybe has fairly specific issues they want worked on.

I'm not sure I could be easily convinced Cantor's any kind of strategic/tactical wizard based on the conduct of his last campaign.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby Barry Jive » Tue Sep 02, 2014 23:10:26

drsmooth wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:https://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

Christina Hoff Sommers, a former philosophy professor, is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute


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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby phatj » Tue Sep 02, 2014 23:14:13

Guess I didn't read that part
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby SK790 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 03:55:17

the last point on that article is extremely hyperbolic, too. there is no evidence that the wage gap "narrows to the point of vanishing", even in that article posted, they say that the "77 cents to every dollar" is probably too extreme given the disparity in working hours, job, etc... however, that also ignores the fact that jobs where a majority of the workforce is female tend to be lower paying, which you could argue is a larger socioeconomic issue.

from the article linked within the article posted here:

Economics majors (66 percent male) have a median income of $70,000; for sociology majors (68 percent female) it is $40,000. Economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth of the Manhattan Institute has pointed to similar incongruities. The AAUW study classifies jobs as diverse as librarian, lawyer, professional athlete, and "media occupations" under a single rubric--"other white collar." Says Furchtgott-Roth: "So, the AAUW report compares the pay of male lawyers with that of female librarians; of male athletes with that of female communications assistants. That's not a comparison between people who do the same work." With more realistic categories and definitions, the remaining 6.6 gap would certainly narrow to just a few cents at most.


bottom line, is that there is no conclusive evidence that the wage gap is "77 cent for every dollar" or "narrowed to the point of vanishing", but I think that misses the bigger point of, why is there any kind of gender based pay gap at all?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 03, 2014 07:38:54

Israel claims West Bank land for possible settlement use:
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel announced on Sunday a land appropriation in the occupied West Bank that an anti-settlement group termed the biggest in 30 years, drawing Palestinian condemnation and a U.S. rebuke.

Some 400 hectares (988 acres) in the Etzion Jewish settlement bloc near Bethlehem were declared "state land, on the instructions of the political echelon" by the military-run Civil Administration.

"We urge the government of Israel to reverse this decision,” a State Department official said in Washington, calling the move "counterproductive" to efforts to achieve a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians.

Israel Radio said the step was taken in response to the kidnapping and killing of three Jewish teens by Hamas militants in the area in June.

Well, that's certainly a valid reason.
The notice published on Sunday by the Israeli military gave no reason for the land appropriation decision.

Peace Now, which opposes Israeli settlement activities in the West Bank, territory the Palestinians seek for a state, said the appropriation was meant to turn a site where 10 families now live adjacent to a Jewish seminary into a permanent settlement.

Construction of a major settlement at the location, known as "Gevaot", has been mooted by Israel since 2000. Last year, the government invited bids for the building of 1,000 housing units at the site.

Peace Now said the land seizure was the largest announced by Israel in the West Bank since the 1980s and that anyone with ownership claims had 45 days to appeal. A local Palestinian mayor said Palestinians owned the tracts and harvested olive trees on them.

"This announcement, like every other settlement announcement Israel makes, planning step they approve and construction tender they issue, is counterproductive to Israel's stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians," the official said.

After the collapse of the last round of U.S.-brokered peace talks, U.S. officials cited settlement construction as one of the main reasons for the breakdown, while also faulting the Palestinians for signing a series of international treaties and conventions.
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 03, 2014 07:45:26

drsmooth wrote:
dajafi wrote:Former Wall Street fluffer Eric Cantor is making it official. An interview with a critic about what he'll be doing in his new job


Reading not too far between the lines, this may explain why, while Cantor will make personal bank, he's not landing at a headliner firm, but basically squeezing a smallish outfit that maybe has fairly specific issues they want worked on.

I'm not sure I could be easily convinced Cantor's any kind of strategic/tactical wizard based on the conduct of his last campaign.

strategic and financial advice! he has oodles of experience in mergers and acquisitions, thus the 1.1 million dollar signing bonus, 3 million by the end of the year, and the revolving door open for him to return to office within 2 years.

Damn, where do I sign up to buy a politician?
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Re: Midterms, Middle East & Middle America - Politics Thread

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