Bucky wrote:

Tens of thousands of air-traffic controllers, prison guards and Border Patrol agents will be required to serve without pay

wow

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote: Especially remarkable given the huge majorities Dems had in both houses of Congress at the time of Carter's presidency.

you do not want to have lived during the mid-70s. everything was brown & avocado & orange, and shaggy. And no one had any money.

mozartpc27 wrote:

Bucky wrote:

Tens of thousands of air-traffic controllers, prison guards and Border Patrol agents will be required to serve without pay

wow

Violation of the 13th Amendment? They should sue.

td11 wrote:@delrayser
We need to keep repeating this: Senate has asked to go to conference on budget 17 times. Only now, 1 hour from shutdown, is House proposing.

it's amazing to me that coverage of this from a lot of major media outlets (looking at you wapo) is portraying this as some sort of a "both sides at fault" thing. pretty disingenuous given even NR's reporting makes it pretty clear that this is entirely the house GOP's fault.

pacino wrote:“I think the reason is because President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care. Because, once they enroll millions of more individual Americans it will be virtually impossible for us to pull these benefits back from people.”

– Michele Bachmann in an interview with World Net Daily

etched Chaos wrote:

pacino wrote:“I think the reason is because President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care. Because, once they enroll millions of more individual Americans it will be virtually impossible for us to pull these benefits back from people.”

– Michele Bachmann in an interview with World Net Daily

What. The. #$!&@. #$!&@?!

Healthcare for all should be a god-given right, not some ploy to plough the public for cash. We have the NHS and we all pay for it and it bloody well works. I had a double hernia as a 3 month old baby, if I was American, considering my Mother was an unwed, unemployed 20 year old at the time, I wouldn't be here today.

pacino wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

pacino wrote:“I think the reason is because President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care. Because, once they enroll millions of more individual Americans it will be virtually impossible for us to pull these benefits back from people.”

– Michele Bachmann in an interview with World Net Daily

What. The. #$!&@. #$!&@?!

Healthcare for all should be a god-given right, not some ploy to plough the public for cash. We have the NHS and we all pay for it and it bloody well works. I had a double hernia as a 3 month old baby, if I was American, considering my Mother was an unwed, unemployed 20 year old at the time, I wouldn't be here today.

woulda served you right. why didnt you have health insurance? instead it's all on the government's teat with you people!!!

A government shutdown, and the prospect of a default on the national debt, is pretty much the definition of economic uncertainty. Contracts are put in limbo. Future interest rates are unknown. A new healthcare system lies in the balance. And meanwhile, a whole host of issues that businesses need resolved in order to plan several years in advance -- environmental regulation, immigration policy, the tax code -- go almost entirely unaddressed.

These are the conditions brought upon us by a small core of Republicans who can't let go of their opposition to a law their colleagues passed three years ago. And yet, not long ago, many of those same Republicans were declaring that uncertainty is the economy's biggest threat. Let's go to the tape:

"I believe our mission as legislators is to liberate our economy from the things that impede growth...to provide clear policies, so that innovators and entrepreneurs have the green light to move forward and create jobs, without having to worry about second-guessing from Washington." - Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), May 2011

- “Uncertainty is the enemy of our prosperity." - Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), December 2010

- "The biggest problem I have, Hugh, is we don’t need a temporary economy, which means we don’t need a temporary tax rate. A permanent extension of our current tax rates would allow businesses to plan five and ten years in advance, and that’s how you build an economy.” - Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C), December 2010

- "What I hear businesses saying clear as day is that when they are uncertain about the action of government in areas of regulation and tax reform, it creates a barrier to job creation. The uncertainty lies in areas of cost projections; it slows operations and stifles growth." - Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), February 2011

- "Businesses need certainty and employees deserve to know their jobs aren’t at risk because of ill-conceived federal regulations." - Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), March 2012

- "The current pervasive lack of certainty across this country is having a remarkably negative impact on our economy and on the general trust the American people have in Washington. - Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), February 2012

- "When I'm out and about in Ohio, the job creators want real certainty, they want the lay of the land. We just had a hearing on this today, and our panel of experts said if you keep increasing regulation, and you keep having temporary fixes, you're never going to fix the underlying problem, which is the uncertainty that exists in our market today." - Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), September 2011

- "Job creators across this country have made clear that resolving policy uncertainty in Washington and reducing the costs of government rules, regulations, statutes, and barriers to trade are some of the most effective things that a Republican controlled House can do to lay the groundwork for economic recovery and job creation." - Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), November 2010

- "We must do everything possible to get government to reduce both taxes and stifling regulation so that small business owners have the confidence and certainty they need to invest in their businesses, expand operations and create real jobs." - Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), October 2010

mozartpc27 wrote:Violation of the 13th Amendment?

WASHINGTON – Frank LoBiondo, a longtime Republican Congressman from the Atlantic City area, said Tuesday morning it’s time for his colleagues to develop a new strategy in the ongoing shutdown battle, signaling that he might break from conservatives who insist that any bill to fund the government must include changes to Obamacare.

Three other Republicans from the Philadelphia suburbs -- U.S. Reps. Pat Meehan, Mike Fitzpatrick and Jon Runyan -- all also said Tuesday they would back a "clean" spending bill that funds the government without any other policy demands, as President Obama and Democrats have insisted on. U.S. Rep. Charlie Dent, a Republican from Allentown, backed that approach Monday, meaning five House Republicans from the area have now backed a change of course, though the GOP's most conservative bloc is pressing to continue the fight.


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