Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon May 20, 2013 19:32:02

Oklahoma City is in the 5th CD, represented by James Langford, who voted against Sandy aid.

Moore OK is represented by Cole, who voted in favor of Sandy aid.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Mon May 20, 2013 21:15:39

republicans must be pissed that this government program is working:
"The questions surrounding premiums in the individual market in 2014 have attracted considerable attention and generated some dire predictions of dramatically higher premiums resulting in 'rate shock,'" the Democratic report states. The actual proposed rates in the first five states to publish the rates do not support these dire predictions."
Insurers have filed preliminary rates for 2014 in Maryland, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington state. In most cases, rates haven't spiked as a result of the healthcare law.
Premiums for the cheapest insurance plan in Oregon are expected to fall by an average of 11 percent, and customers in Washington could see a price drop of 21 percent for the cheapest policy, according to the Democratic summary of state rate filings.
Insurers in Vermont and Rhode Island said rate increases would not be significantly affected by the Affordable Care Act.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon May 20, 2013 23:50:42

Werthless wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Bush would have won regardless of what the Supreme Court decided.

If submit that if the Supreme Court decided that Gore won, I think Gore would have won.


pacino wrote:Considering more people voted for Gore in Florida, I doubt it.


We need some collateral estoppel up in this bitch.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 21, 2013 02:39:47

I don't know what collateral estoppel means but had the Supreme Court declined to side with Bush, he still would have won Florida

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 21, 2013 02:46:03

The conversation was allegedly recorded for the benefit of Cuban President Raúl Castro, but its authenticity has not been independently verified. Writing on Twitter, Silva dismissed the recording as a Zionist plot.


Chávez propagandist in leaked recording: 'We are in a sea of shit, my friend'

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 21, 2013 02:56:15

Brit Hume, a senior political analyst on Fox, said on the air Monday that the Justice Department had crossed a “clear bright line” when it seized the records on what he called “the pretext that this activity was criminal.”

“The Obama-Holder Justice Department is now prepared to treat the ordinary newsgathering activities of reporters, trying to seek information from government officials, as a possible crime,” he said.


Justice Department’s scrutiny of Fox News reporter James Rosen in leak case draws fire

I'm not as worked up about about this press stuff as the IRS thing, but the press is really pissed, and that's always fun. I'm generally predisposed to siding with the government in leaks investigations, but it seems like they had the leaker already and still intruded on Rosen's privacy anyway. Pretty fucked up.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby thephan » Tue May 21, 2013 07:40:25

The press thing is interesting because the press desperately wants privileges like a doctor-patient has, but there are no guarantees under current law. While the press is free, it should rightly expect that if sensitive through classified information is published that there will be fall out. I am not certain the exact material leaked or its sensitivity, but it is reported as classified. I think that reporters should reasonably be able to discern if the type and quality of information being received is so specific (capabilities, operational methods, staff, technical specifications, equipment identification, etc.) and otherwise not known about military, intelligence or security topics that there might be a problem publishing. In the least they should have a method to test the sensitivity if there is question.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby thephan » Tue May 21, 2013 07:43:06

the IRS thing angers me due to what was carried out with specific targeting. That blade needs to cut both ways. Bending the tax code is not a partisan issue and I am sure that there are plenty of players on the left that push it to the limit.

That said, if you are a "charity" with an anti-tax mission, you are inviting scrutiny. I love the irony that these things take advantage of the tax code on multiple fronts.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 21, 2013 07:44:21

A U.S. magistrate judge, Alan Kay, signed off on the search for two days’ worth of Rosen’s personal e-mails and all of his correspondence with Kim in May 2010. The warrant was unsealed in 2011, but a Fox executive confirmed that the network was not aware of the characterization of Rosen as a co-conspirator until Monday.

The Justice Department was not required to inform Rosen that his personal e-mails would be seized, according to an opinion by U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth in 2010.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby thephan » Tue May 21, 2013 07:47:25

This is classic. In DC the Taxi's are pushing back on Uber. They want regulation and accountability, which is reasonable given the laws that the horrid taxi service operates under here, but it goes off the rails where they are targeting Uber with two laws working through DC government.

From the Potomac Techwire - "One new rule will require the company to utilize a payment processing system used in all city cabs, while another being considered would ban cars weighing less than 3,200 pounds. The former rule could spell the end of the company's UberTAXI service in the District as of June 1, while the latter would shutter its lower-cost UberX service, which utilizes lighter hybrid vehicles.

I do not know about this central payment processing bit, but is screams inefficiency (Uber agrees) and potential corruption (just Dc history). The real mind blower is basically banning fuel efficient vehicles. How stupid is that!?!?!
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 21, 2013 09:02:34

thephan wrote:The press thing is interesting because the press desperately wants privileges like a doctor-patient has, but there are no guarantees under current law. While the press is free, it should rightly expect that if sensitive through classified information is published that there will be fall out. I am not certain the exact material leaked or its sensitivity, but it is reported as classified. I think that reporters should reasonably be able to discern if the type and quality of information being received is so specific (capabilities, operational methods, staff, technical specifications, equipment identification, etc.) and otherwise not known about military, intelligence or security topics that there might be a problem publishing. In the least they should have a method to test the sensitivity if there is question.

it's not illegal to report classified materials. it's also not illegal for the government to go get a subpeona on the matter. what is at issue is the government is trying to stop leaks at a ridiculous rate for some unknown reason. they didnt do anything illegal in trying to find the leak, in my estimation, but the worrisome part is the malice with which this administration goes after whistleblowers/leakers/etc

it should also be noted Rosen wasn't charged with anything, and FOX didnt even bother to look at this until this past week. Wonder why it came up now?

i think in the end we'll find that the IRS thing is nothing other than an office being overwhelmed by an influx of applications and trying to get ahead of it, albeit clumsily. blame the supreme court. this needs to be fixed legislatively, not by attacking the IRS.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Roger Dorn » Tue May 21, 2013 09:06:07

Obama did promise that this would be the most transparent administration though

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 21, 2013 09:07:47

i would think they view transparency through leaking as not an ideal way to disseminate information.

part of this could also just be how our society has changed even over the past 10 years to one of a complete lack of privacy, with many willingly giving this away, and government not wanting to give up their privacy. it's a delicate balance where the public SHOULD know what hte government is doing, but not know EVERYTHING. but who is the arbiter of that?
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Bucky » Tue May 21, 2013 09:22:54

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue May 21, 2013 09:26:32

pretty great article by Jim Webb in the National Interest about troubling trends in how Presidents wage war these days:

http://nationalinterest.org/article/con ... ation-8138

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 21, 2013 09:56:14

Bucky wrote:Me

Now that that's settled, on to monetary policy.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue May 21, 2013 09:56:19

If anything, the DOJ/press issue is worse than the IRS issue only because the former is indicative of the attitude of the WH and the entire DOJ whereas the latter was quickly corrected once other people within the IRS learned about what those morons in Cincy were doing.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue May 21, 2013 09:57:29

Houshphandzadeh wrote:pretty great article by Jim Webb in the National Interest about troubling trends in how Presidents wage war these days:

http://nationalinterest.org/article/con ... ation-8138

That guy should run for congress or something.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue May 21, 2013 10:02:11

Roger Dorn wrote:Obama did promise that this would be the most transparent administration though

I'm starting to believe that the attorney-politicians that preach transparency are in fact the least transparent politicians.

(Anyone paying attention to VA politics over the past two months should appreciate that comment.)

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Swiggers » Tue May 21, 2013 10:47:33

Roger Dorn wrote:Obama did promise that this would be the most transparent administration though


A POLITICIAN LIED!!!!!!!!!! STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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