Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed May 15, 2013 16:29:12

Holder is busy performing his job duties like cracking down on state sanctioned marijuana dispensaries. Cut him some slack.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed May 15, 2013 16:31:14

surprised he isn't fired already. what they waiting for

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 15, 2013 16:34:01

a way to dig more shovelfuls onto him

you also kind of need a replacement in line
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed May 15, 2013 16:38:19

pacino wrote:a way to dig more shovelfuls onto him

you also kind of need a replacement in line

Not really. The AG doesn't do much of consequence by himself. You can certainly have an interim... we've had three of them in the past six years. Holder himself was an interim AG between Reno and Ashcroft.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 15, 2013 16:43:45

ah

Ashcroft, now there was a competent fella. let's bring him back, i'll bring the drapes
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby philliesphhan » Wed May 15, 2013 19:39:11

jerseyhoya wrote:Stewart and Colbert are both liberals, but have prided themselves on their willingness to skewer Dems when appropriate. The administration over the past four days has stepped in one pile of dogshit after another, and after laughing off the skeptics on Benghazi last night, Colbert ignored the stories piling up on the administration tonight.

He's not a straight news source and is not pretending to be any such thing. But if he wants to be viewed as an equal opportunity comic, and not a liberal hack, he's doing it wrong.


He's doing a satire of Bill O'Reilly. I'm not sure he's ever wanted that viewed as an "equal opportunity comic."
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Wed May 15, 2013 21:15:22

IRS director steps down

This past week has produced a sea change in how this administration is viewed and anybody who thinks it isn't entirely resultant of their own doing is being willfully ignorant. The big picture is this - the Obama in office today is not (or is no longer seen as) the Obama who captivatingly promised America so much. Next to nothing has changed from 5 years ago and there is writing is on the wall for things to only get worse. Tide is rapidly turning on ACA as the reality of the lies behind it are revealed. Public distrust is approaching Bush-Cheney levels which should have been unconscionable for the ahem most transparent administration in history. Writing it off as typical Republican witch hunting is avoiding the reality that there have been serious, serious failings by the president and staff. Of course the GOP is working on 2016, but that is quite a ways away. The problems for the White House are very real right now and they have not shown one iota of capability in handling them.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Wed May 15, 2013 21:20:19

i'm sorry but lol
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Wed May 15, 2013 21:33:37

basically i want to see a birth certificate

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Youseff » Wed May 15, 2013 21:35:54

I agree with karn for the most part but I don't think he's reached, nor will he reach, Bush/Cheney levels of deceit.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 15, 2013 21:52:36

i dont view the administration any different. those that do arent paying attention. they hate whistleblowers, they hate leaks, and they hate confrontations with republicans. there you go.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Wed May 15, 2013 22:08:32

karn wrote:basically i want to see a birth certificate


I'm picturing you with a bad orange-y combover & pouty lower lip
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu May 16, 2013 06:36:57

oh:
The Internal Revenue Service, under pressure after admitting it targeted anti-tax Tea Party groups for scrutiny in recent years, also had its eye on at least three Democratic-leaning organizations seeking nonprofit status.

One of those groups, Emerge America, saw its tax-exempt status denied, forcing it to disclose its donors and pay some taxes. None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected.

Progress Texas, another of the organizations, faced the same lines of questioning as the Tea Party groups from the same IRS office that issued letters to the Republican-friendly applicants. A third group, Clean Elections Texas, which supports public funding of campaigns, also received IRS inquiries.

In a statement late yesterday, the tax agency said it had pooled together the politically active nonpartisan applicants -- including a “minority” that were identified because of their names. “It is also important to understand that the group of centralized cases included organizations of all political views,” the IRS said in its statement.


Some lawmakers on Capitol Hill and campaign finance watchdog groups are pressing to expand congressional hearings to encompass everything the IRS is doing concerning nonprofits, including whether such groups should be allowed to spend money on political efforts at all.

Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat who sits on the Senate Finance Committee, which is conducting its own IRS investigation, has introduced legislation with Alaska Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski to require all groups spending money on politics to disclose their donors.

“These problems will continue as long as there is an absence of clear and enforceable rules,” Wyden told reporters yesterday. “In the absence of clear and enforceable rules the bureaucracy pretty much makes it up as they go along.”

Political spending by nonprofits incorporated under Section 501(c)(4) of the tax code has increased since the U.S. Supreme Court (1000L) in 2010 removed limits on independent corporate and union spending and other court rulings paved the way for wealthy individuals to spend unlimited sums in elections.

now we're talking. deny them all.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu May 16, 2013 06:39:52

well, hmm:
A grand jury was empaneled in Washington’s federal court this
year to begin hearing evidence in the case. In February, at the request
of national security prosecutors in Machen’s office, the grand jury
issued subpoenas for telephone companies to turn over records for the AP
reporters in Connecticut, New York and Washington for the two-month
period before the story was written.
The AP was notified of the records’ seizure based on a specific timeline spelled out in Justice Department rules, an agency official said. The department is required to notify media organizations within 45 days that records have been obtained or seek a 45-day extension and then alert the news organization. In the case of the AP, the Justice Department waited 90 days.

so...they did follow everything, legally. they even went to a fancy grand jury and were approved. so that answers those concerns that they were 'targeting' the AP for no reason.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu May 16, 2013 07:00:01

Oh:
CNN's Jake Tapper reports:

CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.

The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.

The "wrong information" being disseminated that Rhodes was addressing would need to be addressed with more than just talking points for members of Congress, but also by trying to forge a general understanding of what the Obama administration was saying about the attack in Benghazi.

In this, it’s hard to conclude that the administration succeeded, given the various and conflicting explanations and continued references to demonstrations in Benghazi against an anti-Muslim video, a demonstration that the intelligence community now concludes did not happen.

So whoever leaked the inaccurate information earlier this month did so in a way that made it appear that the White House – specifically Rhodes – was more interested in the State Department’s concerns, and more focused on the talking points, than the e-mail actually stated.

how bout that

how jonathan karl has egg on his face:
Near the top of his original piece, Karl writes “White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department.” That’s pretty clear. And in the article itself he uses quotes for what were purportedly the text of the emails. At other points in the original article, Karl seems to allude to the fact that there were notes as well. Read the piece to make your own judgment on that count. (Late Update - 6:16 PM: On air he seems to have been even more clear that he’d reviewed the actual emails.)

It now seems that the ABC spokesperson jumped the gun because clearly the accounts differ substantially and Karl gets that. He says in a new piece that he asked his source to explain the discrepancy and got this response …

I asked my original source today to explain the different wording on the Ben Rhodes e-mail, and the fact that the words “State Department” were not included in the e-mail provided to CNN’s Tapper.
This was my source’s response, via e-mail: “WH reply was after a long chain of email about State Dept concerns. So when WH emailer says, take into account all equities, he is talking about the State equities, since that is what the email chain was about.”

so he was quoting the notes of a source, not the emails themselves, but portraying them as emails. sheesh
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu May 16, 2013 07:32:14

pacino wrote:now we're talking. deny them all.


Revoking the tax-favored status of the 501c4s would make the most sense. The ones with money in the bank, and backers with conviction, would morph into other viable organizational forms that they probably should have taken from the start. I'm well short of all the particulars, but the combination of tax favored status and donor anonymity seems to be what made the things catnip for Karl and other manipulators. I get the feeling the teepers were not big operators in that realm.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Roger Dorn » Thu May 16, 2013 08:51:02

karn wrote:IRS director steps down

This past week has produced a sea change in how this administration is viewed and anybody who thinks it isn't entirely resultant of their own doing is being willfully ignorant. The big picture is this - the Obama in office today is not (or is no longer seen as) the Obama who captivatingly promised America so much. Next to nothing has changed from 5 years ago and there is writing is on the wall for things to only get worse. Tide is rapidly turning on ACA as the reality of the lies behind it are revealed. Public distrust is approaching Bush-Cheney levels which should have been unconscionable for the ahem most transparent administration in history. Writing it off as typical Republican witch hunting is avoiding the reality that there have been serious, serious failings by the president and staff. Of course the GOP is working on 2016, but that is quite a ways away. The problems for the White House are very real right now and they have not shown one iota of capability in handling them.


The American electorate is pretty dumb overall. Every election cycle they fall for some dumbass campaign slogan that promises a new direction for Washington and the way business is handled. Bush promised his bullshit "compassionate conservatism" and Obama followed suit with "hope and change."

After 8 years, the public gets fed up with party in power and the pendulum swings across the aisle to the Party that's been out of power. It's outrageous that we only have two choices each election, and it's really like picking Coke or Pepsi. Corruption still reigns and we are left with incompetent government at the highest level. Dems and Repubs have the money and they don't want third parties in on the action to get a slice of the lobbyist fueled money machine. Until this changes I will view every Administration skeptically until we have a competent government.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Thu May 16, 2013 10:27:47

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/ ... e-records/

Perhaps the DOJ should access the phone records of the President's national security team to find the leaker who shared information on our activities in Iran. Oh wait, those leaks made the President look tough on Iran.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu May 16, 2013 11:01:18

Werthless wrote:http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/05/14/obamas-leak-hypocrisy-ap-phone-records/

Perhaps the DOJ should access the phone records of the President's national security team to find the leaker who shared information on our activities in Iran. Oh wait, those leaks made the President look tough on Iran.


Some are saying that conservatives who blasted the president for the leaks last year and who today are decrying the infringement of press freedom are being hypocritical. But the problem here is not whether the president’s critics are trying to have it both ways on the issue. Based on what we know today, if anyone has played the hypocrite on both security and press freedom, it is the president and his cronies.


We may learn enough to know there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around (that won't be a surprise, will it?) but based on what we really know today, the POTUS critics are the hypocrites. For now.

Whyzit schmucks like Rancid Prepuce are carrying McCain's/Graham's/Cruz's water on this topic? Why aren't they shrieking about the "overreach"? There's a good reason why - they'd be all for it if it weren't the brown guy's team carrying it out.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Thu May 16, 2013 11:06:15

drsmooth wrote:Chaffetz is such a dipshit

reminds me of this guy

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this was a good post, doc.
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