Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Roger Dorn » Fri May 17, 2013 13:44:38

Pretty awesome that 9 people with no accountability effectively picked the President.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 17, 2013 14:04:59

Bush would have won regardless of what the Supreme Court decided.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Fri May 17, 2013 14:08:15

jerseyhoya wrote:Bush would have won regardless of what the Supreme Court decided.


what does Bayes say about all this
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Fri May 17, 2013 14:12:57

Considering more people voted for gore in florida, I doubt it

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri May 17, 2013 14:21:21

jerseyhoya wrote:Bush would have won regardless of what the Supreme Court decided.

If submit that if the Supreme Court decided that Gore won, I think Gore would have won.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat May 18, 2013 04:21:20

Yeh, so it turns out the furor over those emails was nothing. It looks like some republican staffer or other official deliberately changed the meanings of the emails to make the WH look bad. I guess they thought the emails would never get declassified. I can't imagine the size of the balls it takes to make up something like that, basically trying to make a sitting president look like a liar about a national security event. I certainly hope that whoever did it never has access to any closed door or classified meeting ever again.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013 ... igence.php

I guess if they can't find something real to try to impeach him over, they'll just make something up.



It turns out that’s not what the email said. To quiet the growing furor over the idea that the White House had thumbed the scale on the State Department’s behalf, a government official subsequently leaked to CNN the full text of Rhodes’ message, which was assiduously neutral about each relevant agency’s concerns.

But discussions with several people in attendance at or with knowledge of the two congressional briefings suggest that members and staffers were left with the opposite impression — that the White House had remained neutral in the dispute between the State Department and the CIA — and that after a thorough run-through, they were given ample time to take notes not just about the briefing itself, but in theory to transcribe key emails verbatim.

“When I say they were allowed to have the documents for as long as they wanted, they were allowed to take notes for as long as they wanted as well,” the intelligence official said.

The discrepancy between the documents ABC was provided and the official records has led White House officials, congressional aides, and outside observers to the conclusion that a GOP member or staffer falsified notes or tendentiously interpreted administration emails — and then leaked them — to create the impression that the White House had sided with the State Department in an intra-agency dispute to protect President Obama from political blowback.

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After those briefings, the Benghazi controversy quieted down for several weeks — a tellingly long silence given how damning the emails supposedly were — until ABC’s report, including its characterization of the White House’s involvement, exploded in the press late last week. Karl, who downplayed the discrepancies between the summaries he relied on and the actual emails, was not immediately available for comment for this story.

“I wouldn’t go into what the members said in the meeting,” the intelligence official said. “The relationship between what the documents show and what the report said sort of speak for itself.”
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat May 18, 2013 11:03:55

So good it was posted twice.

The inaccurate aspects of the leak weren't necessarily deliberate, but regardless of how they happened, very counterproductive as it allows the White House try to make that a story rather than the various unpleasant parts of the story.

Good piece from CBS News yesterday looking at all of the problems surrounding Benghazi, and the unveiling of the "we're idiots" defense.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Sat May 18, 2013 12:07:50

that's certainly one way to look at it.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Swiggers » Sat May 18, 2013 16:21:36

Idiotic is one way to describe the whole thing, yes.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Sun May 19, 2013 13:50:54

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Sun May 19, 2013 15:50:53

john bolton, eh?

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING MR. ISSA?!?!
WASHINGTON (AP) — The head of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has subpoenaed the co-chairman of the independent review board that investigated last year’s attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, to answer questions about the panel’s findings behind closed doors.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said in a statement Friday that he had issued the subpoena to retired veteran diplomat Thomas Pickering to force him to appear at a deposition next week. Pickering, who co-chaired the Benghazi Accountability Review Board with a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chief Mike Mullen, has offered to testify before Issa’s committee in public. But Issa said a closed-door meeting is needed first in order for the committee to fully understand how the review board conducted its investigation.

The public has a right to know!
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby CalvinBall » Mon May 20, 2013 10:27:40

Wave of attacks kills at least 79 in Iraq

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/iraq-car ... -10-people


this is out of control and just so horrible.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon May 20, 2013 11:51:03

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obam ... 04299.html

The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox News reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department, and seizing two days of Rosen’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon May 20, 2013 12:34:42

I admittedly haven't been paying very much attention, the crackdown to find the leak was in response to the AP breaking a story about a foiled plot but in the process outted a CIA agent in deep cover?

I'm not sure about the tactics used by the JD but I'm not sure they are wrong to be pursuing this.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Mon May 20, 2013 12:51:35

This particular case of snooping had to do with North Korea, and how they were likely to respond to tighter UN sanctions.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Mon May 20, 2013 15:26:08

2 more Fox staff were targeted in addition to Rosen. Another non-story, presumably

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Mon May 20, 2013 15:32:08

Perhaps you should wait on reacting as it wasnt to your benefit previously.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Mon May 20, 2013 15:43:20

i literally have no clue what you're talking about

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon May 20, 2013 18:33:28

I wonder how Oklahoma and Texas Republicans voted on Sandy aid. I do hope the feds and FEMA leave those poor people alone and allow them to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps with the dignity that only self-sufficiency can provide.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Roger Dorn » Mon May 20, 2013 18:37:51

There are absolutely no redeeming qualities in either Oklahoma or Kansas. Miserable places.

That being said prayers to those affected.

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