Young Opponents of Same-Sex Marriage Undaunted

“The primary challenge that our side faces right now is the intense social pressure,” said Joseph Backholm, 34, the executive director of the Family Policy Institute of Washington. “To the extent that the other side is able to frame this as a vote for gay people to be happy, it will be challenging for us.”

To put it another way, opponents of same-sex marriage say they must argue in favor of traditional marriage, not against gay people or gay rights. “It’s really a broader defense of marriage and a stronger marriage culture,” said Will Haun, 26, a lawyer and member of the Federalist Society.

don't talk about how much it makes gay people happy to be treated as equals, talk about how sad it is that my shitty marriage is threatened every time i see two bros holding hands

Every time my wife and I see a gay couple, we talk about getting divorced. They are ruining our marriage.

i mean just what the fuck is this:

“In redefining marriage to include same-sex couples, what you’re doing is you’re excluding the norm of sexual complementarity,” Mr. Anderson, the Heritage Foundation fellow, said. “Once you exclude that norm, the three other norms — which are monogamy, sexual exclusivity and permanency — become optional as well.”

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“When you de-link marriage from childbearing, you then have to increase the complexity of that relationship,” said Caitlin Seery, 25, the director of programs for the Love and Fidelity Network, which works with college groups to advocate traditional marriage.

How do people support these assholes? Shameful.

people under 30 support gay marriage at an 81 percent rate. it won't be long.

It has long been obvious that support for marriage equality was higher among the young. But the numbers now demonstrate how truly rare it is for a young person to oppose gay marriage. Eighty-one percent of adults younger than 30 support marriage equality, compared to 44 percent of seniors. In both cases, that’s 10 points higher than it was in March 2011, showing how much support for gay marriage has soared in such a short time. Even though Democrats still back marriage equality far more than Republicans—72 percent versus 34 percent—both groups have seen increases in support since 2004, with 18 points for Republicans and 29 points among Democrats.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... _high.html

can't wait to marry my cat

They keep calling it traditional marriage as if the definition doesn't vary from person to person.

Barry Jive wrote:people under 30 support gay marriage at an 81 percent rate. it won't be long.

It has long been obvious that support for marriage equality was higher among the young. But the numbers now demonstrate how truly rare it is for a young person to oppose gay marriage. Eighty-one percent of adults younger than 30 support marriage equality, compared to 44 percent of seniors. In both cases, that’s 10 points higher than it was in March 2011, showing how much support for gay marriage has soared in such a short time. Even though Democrats still back marriage equality far more than Republicans—72 percent versus 34 percent—both groups have seen increases in support since 2004, with 18 points for Republicans and 29 points among Democrats.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... _high.html

This is great to see and I'm sure it'll happen in my lifetime but I wonder what "before too long" will actually be in real terms. I'm not as optimistic that it'll be soon, considering the opposition and the power they yield in their party. I hope I'm wrong and R's adopt the view of our good friend Jersey, but I'm afraid he isn't the norm of his party on this issue.

Doll Is Mine wrote:They keep calling it traditional marriage as if the definition doesn't vary from person to person.

I've read the part of the Old Testament where guys had a bunch of wives. When will that tradition get revived?

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:They keep calling it traditional marriage as if the definition doesn't vary from person to person.

I've read the part of the Old Testament where guys had a bunch of wives. When will that tradition get revived?

+1

I'll add monkeyboy's future-ex to my stable

Houshphandzadeh wrote:can't wait to marry my cat

You guys will be purrrrrfect together.

OMG

jerseyhoya wrote:

allentown wrote:Despite what we hear from Republicans, federal spending as a % of GDP has been declining under Obama. This despite an inherited crap economy and an increasing number of retirees. From Wonkblog:

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2013/03/20 ... e-day-211/

It's still above the baseline as a % of GDP. This despite the wars ending and the stimulus ending. And TARP being a net positive on the balance sheet, not a big expenditure.

It's also about right where spending was under Reagan, despite far higher % retirees. If the Republicans aren't honest enough to admit that an increased % of retirees will naturally cause increased spending, there really is little hope for them. Government under Obama is actually getting smaller. Fewer government employees at all levels. Share of GDP to fed spending going down. Discretionary spending as % of GDP at multi-decade lows. Deficits declining in nominal $, not to mention inflation-adjusted. The wars are winding down, but defense spending just starting to do so. Unemployment and counter-cyclical payments still high, but will naturally shrink over time,if we avoid austerity.

Bucky wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:They keep calling it traditional marriage as if the definition doesn't vary from person to person.

I've read the part of the Old Testament where guys had a bunch of wives. When will that tradition get revived?

+1

I'll add monkeyboy's future-ex to my stable

This is bound to happen.

td11 wrote:

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“When you de-link marriage from childbearing, you then have to increase the complexity of that relationship,” said Caitlin Seery, 25, the director of programs for the Love and Fidelity Network, which works with college groups to advocate traditional marriage.

I tell you, it's those people over fifty getting married that are mostly sullying the institution.

jerseyhoya wrote:

allentown wrote:Despite what we hear from Republicans, federal spending as a % of GDP has been declining under Obama. This despite an inherited crap economy and an increasing number of retirees. From Wonkblog:

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2013/03/20 ... e-day-211/

It's still above the baseline as a % of GDP. This despite the wars ending and the stimulus ending. And TARP being a net positive on the balance sheet, not a big expenditure.

"the baseline"

Must be all the explosive Obamian government employment:

there SHOULD tend to be more government employees as the population also increases

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

allentown wrote:Despite what we hear from Republicans, federal spending as a % of GDP has been declining under Obama. This despite an inherited crap economy and an increasing number of retirees. From Wonkblog:

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2013/03/20 ... e-day-211/

It's still above the baseline as a % of GDP. This despite the wars ending and the stimulus ending. And TARP being a net positive on the balance sheet, not a big expenditure.

"the baseline"

Must be all the explosive Obamian government employment:

Of course those are all charts of *total* government employment including state and local government. Federal government employment has increased since 1/2009.

td11 wrote:i mean just what the #$!&@ is this:

“In redefining marriage to include same-sex couples, what you’re doing is you’re excluding the norm of sexual complementarity,” Mr. Anderson, the Heritage Foundation fellow, said. “Once you exclude that norm, the three other norms — which are monogamy, sexual exclusivity and permanency — become optional as well.”

...

“When you de-link marriage from childbearing, you then have to increase the complexity of that relationship,” said Caitlin Seery, 25, the director of programs for the Love and Fidelity Network, which works with college groups to advocate traditional marriage.

It's weird. You'd think that the push for marriage equality might represent some appreciation of "monogamy, exclusivity and permanency" as social goods. But then this wouldn't be the first time I've struggled to follow the logic of the Heritage Foundation.

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

allentown wrote:Despite what we hear from Republicans, federal spending as a % of GDP has been declining under Obama. This despite an inherited crap economy and an increasing number of retirees. From Wonkblog:

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2013/03/20 ... e-day-211/

It's still above the baseline as a % of GDP. This despite the wars ending and the stimulus ending. And TARP being a net positive on the balance sheet, not a big expenditure.

"the baseline"

Must be all the explosive Obamian government employment:

Of course those are all charts of *total* government employment including state and local government. Federal government employment has increased since 1/2009.

yes but Obama controls the very moon & stars, and wasn't even born here, so I'm not sure what your point is?

but please keep going and tell us all about "the baseline"

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

allentown wrote:Despite what we hear from Republicans, federal spending as a % of GDP has been declining under Obama. This despite an inherited crap economy and an increasing number of retirees. From Wonkblog:

http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2013/03/20 ... e-day-211/

It's still above the baseline as a % of GDP. This despite the wars ending and the stimulus ending. And TARP being a net positive on the balance sheet, not a big expenditure.

"the baseline"

Must be all the explosive Obamian government employment:

Of course those are all charts of *total* government employment including state and local government. Federal government employment has increased since 1/2009.

yes but Obama controls the very moon & stars, and wasn't even born here, so I'm not sure what your point is?

but please keep going and tell us all about "the baseline"

The amount of money being spent by the federal government annually before Obama took office. It's not that obscure of a reference.