Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Mar 06, 2013 22:17:22

The Dude wrote:spoiler! i'm on the episode before that one


I hope you're one of the nutso map people (who actually make good points)
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Mar 06, 2013 23:03:40

Still going

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Mar 06, 2013 23:08:55

Ted Cruz just reading tweets now

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby The Dude » Wed Mar 06, 2013 23:27:21

pretty funny
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Mar 07, 2013 00:15:16

Marco Rubio dropping a Wiz Khalifa reference

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby The Dude » Thu Mar 07, 2013 00:16:18

rubio quoted wiz khalifa, not kidding
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby The Dude » Thu Mar 07, 2013 00:17:28

and now Jay Z
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby momadance » Thu Mar 07, 2013 00:29:28

Waiting for someone to start reading from a phonebook.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Mar 07, 2013 00:35:34

“I will speak until I can no longer speak. I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court.”



So are we going to extend this to all law enforcement? No one gets shot without first being found guilty by court?
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Mar 07, 2013 01:36:49

Rand wrapping it up nearing the 13 hour mark

Yields the floor, basically saying he needs to pee

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 05:43:39

Jimmy stewart wouldn't have had to pee.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Mar 07, 2013 05:51:19

jerseyhoya wrote:Rand wrapping it up nearing the 13 hour mark

Yields the floor, basically saying he needs to pee



He did leave at other times. He passed being Cruz when the tweets were being read.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Mar 07, 2013 05:52:01

North Korea vows preemptive nuclear strike against us. That's horrifying.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Swiggers » Thu Mar 07, 2013 06:04:45

jerseyhoya wrote:Ahmadinejad Says Chávez Will Rise Again

In a letter of condolence to the people of Venezuela, Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, struck a note of interfaith harmony on Wednesday, expressing confidence that the late Hugo Chávez would eventually be resurrected, along with Jesus and the Hidden Imam, a messianic figure in Shiite Islam.

According to the Persian-language text of the letter posted on the Iranian president’s official Web site, Mr. Ahmadinejad wrote: “I have no doubt he will come again along with all the righteous people and the Prophet Jesus and the only successor of the righteous generation, the perfect human,” a formulation used by Shiite Muslims to refer to the Hidden Imam, who disappeared in the ninth century but is expected to emerge from more than a millennium in hiding to redeem mankind.

Mr. Ahmadinejad’s note, sent as Iran declared a day of national mourning for “the Latin American anti-imperialist figure,” also said that Mr. Chávez had died of a “suspicious illness.” As Iran’s state-owned Press TV reported, hours before the Venezuelan president’s death was announced on Tuesday, his vice president, Nicolás Maduro, hinted darkly that foreign powers were responsible for causing the illnesses that killed both the Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and Mr. Chávez.


This has got to be the weirdest thing I've ever heard Ahmadinejad say, which is REALLY saying something.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 07:55:44

CalvinBall wrote:North Korea vows preemptive nuclear strike against us. That's horrifying.



I think I taught his child last year. I should have kidnapped him when I had the chance. What a loon.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:44:51

swishnicholson wrote:
“I will speak until I can no longer speak. I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court.”



So are we going to extend this to all law enforcement? No one gets shot without first being found guilty by court?

Does anyone have a response to this? I'm struggling to see how drones are different, from the perspective of habeas corpus and the rights of the killed, from other killings of American citizens on US soil. Is it more fair if the presumed criminal has an opportunity to fight back?

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Bucky » Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:49:55

I think the law enforcement standard is the threat of imminent danger to themselves or others. "Imminent" being the word subject to loose interpretations. Of course, if a burglar is brandishing a firearm and aims it at someone, that's a no-brainer. But is "intelligence" that someone has a bomb and is targeting a building "imminent danger" so we can justify taking them out with a drone???

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:52:55

But Paul is saying that there can never be a threat so imminent that a drone can be used on a US citizen, and so the US govt should not have the ability to use one under any circumstances.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:56:11

if there are legal checks in place, fine. i view drones as a militaristic weapon to be used by the military, so if we able to use them, then we should be able to use other means on our own citizens. if the prez wants to use them, he should use them as the commander-in-chief through the military in a war. all i'm sayin' on that topic.

paul is largelly right in respect to the use of them on US soil, and i think reid looked like a chump, especially when sherrod brown ceded the floor back to paul after reid said 'we're done here'.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Bucky » Thu Mar 07, 2013 09:57:05

I'm sure the situations are extremely rare. But I wouldn't discount them entirely. Of course, the popular example being flight 93.

OJ's white bronco was another.

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