We're doing it, POLITICS style

by **The Dude** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:01:20

philliesphhan wrote:I was thinking: isn't Biden's win in the debate more decisive just by the fact that he won, or at the very least it was supposedly too close to call? I've been hearing for weeks from family who support R/R that Ryan was going to wipe the floor with Biden, and that it would be downright embarrassing for him. Clearly, unless you're completely delusional, THAT didn't happen.

i don't think anyone that knows anything about biden thought he'd get his ass handed to him

by **pacino** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:03:55

The Dude wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:I was thinking: isn't Biden's win in the debate more decisive just by the fact that he won, or at the very least it was supposedly too close to call? I've been hearing for weeks from family who support R/R that Ryan was going to wipe the floor with Biden, and that it would be downright embarrassing for him. Clearly, unless you're completely delusional, THAT didn't happen.

i don't think anyone that knows anything about biden thought he'd get his ass handed to him

i think phhhh is talking about how the media has fallen into this idea that biden is some bumbling, stumbling fool. if you listen to a speech of his, or have watched him on cspan on the foreign relations committee, of course he's not, but i don't think that's a common viewpoint that is put across to people from the media or from republicans (for example, our own jh thinks he's fairly stupid).

by **The Dude** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:05:42

yeah, even the media, outside fox, was talking about he won pretty much every debate during the primaries in 2008 and the vp debate against sarah palin while being easy on her

by **Grotewold** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:06:20

Right-wing media turns every liberal into a cartoon character, except maybe Joe Lieberman. Who'd actually make a pretty good cartoon character.

by **The Dude** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:06:54

live action magoo

by **pacino** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:07:37

Grotewold wrote:Right-wing media turns every liberal into a cartoon character, except maybe Joe Lieberman. Who'd actually make a pretty good cartoon character.

already is

joe is a guy who i think all sides can all agree that he's pretty much annoying as fuck

by **TomatoPie** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:50:51

Maybe y'all would like to hear from somebody on the right, somebody who is voting for Romney/Ryan. I thought the debate was roughly a draw. Joe behaved badly; his plastic smirk is akin to Algore's sighs. Ryan, the new kid, needed to show he was serious and well informed. He executed well on that count. Off-script, Joe was stronger and his experience showed. Ryan, one of very few pols to confront the math that we cannot continue on the current entitlement path, did not strongly enough make the case that fixing social programs is preferable to running them into ruin. Insta-polls seem to confirm my impression; Joe needed to breathe some life into his party and he did. Ryan needed to demonstrate that he's not Palin, Quayle, or a liability of any sort. Wonkish and nerdy, but capable. Check.

Bettors are still going for Obama, 2 to 1. But it's a race.

by **pacino** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:53:44

fix them by getting rid of them.

al gore destroyed bush and all people talked about were his sighing with bush's lies. but bush lied. it seems like people hate the guy that points out the lie more than the guy that says the lie.

by **td11** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 15:59:59

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by **Doll Is Mine** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:06:30

I don't know, I saw a nervous Paul Ryan who looked uncomfortable and uneasy. He kept taking phantom sips from his glass of water because he was overwhelmed.

Joe Biden never let him get comfortable and into a rhythm all night.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:13:34

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
Ryan is the kind of guy who shakes your hand extra hard to let you know he's been working out.

Bill Maher ‏@billmaher
"Let me tell you about the Mitt Romney I know" - too late, he's changed again

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:37:50

TomatoPie wrote:Ryan, one of very few pols to confront the math that we cannot continue on the current entitlement path

oh dear god

by **Soren** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:39:30

yea. Not even going to bother.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:40:53

Bucky wrote:more eddie munster to us old farts

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:41:04

Because he's right, so telling him he's wrong would be a waste of your time.

by **TomatoPie** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:42:52

pacino wrote:fix them by getting rid of them.

Not sure where you got that idea.

Most (not all) conservatives recognize the value of social programs, Ryan included. What they also recognize is that by the nature of entitlement programs, the pool of persons who collect expands. That was kinda OK while the pool of new payors expanded too. Even Democrats know it's unsustainable, but are content to kick the can down the road. It would be so much easier to fix it now than to wait for the crisis.

by **Werthless** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:43:35

pacino wrote:

These stop and frisk policies are bullshit.

by **Werthless** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:48:03

pacino wrote:Biden.... (for example, our own jh thinks he's fairly stupid).

LOL

He's a loose cannon, subject to putting his foot in his mouth, and wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's not your typical policitian, which is why both liberals and conservatives have a special spot in their hearts for Biden. But he's not stupid. Well, outside of the time(s) he plagiarized.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 16:51:46

jerseyhoya wrote:Because he's right, so telling him he's wrong would be a waste of your time.

That Ryan is some type of groundbreaking thinker when it comes to social welfare programs? Please.

by **Werthless** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 17:01:40

Obama now trading at 61.5% on Intrade, down 1.8% today. 1.7 million shares traded.

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