drsmooth wrote:

Werthless wrote:

drsmooth wrote:Make no mistake Moz - I'm not disagreeing with W on the pay gap data. Pressed, he wouldn't insist there is NO gap - just that it isn't as large as often asserted.

My issue was with his "biological imperative" nonsense.

I wouldn't call it an imperative.

Uhh...you DID call it an imperative.

CalvinBall wrote:That there is a gender gap. Obviously not all people.

jerseyhoya wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:That there is a gender gap. Obviously not all people.

If they were going to have a question about it, they could've at the very least used the updated percentage.

Werthless wrote:

drsmooth wrote:Make no mistake Moz - I'm not disagreeing with W on the pay gap data. Pressed, he wouldn't insist there is NO gap - just that it isn't as large as often asserted.

My issue was with his "biological imperative" nonsense.

I wouldn't call it an imperative. I would say that men, on average, will have different priorities than women when it comes to childraising. The average man works 6 hours per week more than a woman. A Rochester Institute study found that money is the primary motivator in their job for 76% of men and only 29% of women. Again, these aren't wrong or right; it's a matter of choices, and more men than women make decisions that lead to higher pay, like entering dangerous professions such as oil-drilling, or jobs that require a ton of travel such as consulting. And spending all your time trying to "correct" these decisions is a fruitless endeavor. And throwing out 72% as evidence that there needs to be special corrective action taken by the President of the United States is... not good.

Take lawyers at nice law firms. They make the same amount of money when they get hired. They get evaluated based on billable hours, a quantifiable measure of performance that makes it difficult to discriminate (and what law firm is going to open themselves open to discrimination lawsuits). And yet, many firms struggle to develop women partners, even from their top performers. Why do so many women not become partners? Because they leave before even getting to the point where they're being evaluated for partner. Why? They sometimes want a family before they are 40, and raising a family is tough while working 50+ hours per week. It is especially hard to retain these partner-candidate women when there are perfectly well paying jobs in the corporate world for 72% of the pay, and much better quality of life.

CalvinBall wrote:That there is a gender gap. Obviously not all people.

Werthless wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Werthless wrote:

drsmooth wrote:Make no mistake Moz - I'm not disagreeing with W on the pay gap data. Pressed, he wouldn't insist there is NO gap - just that it isn't as large as often asserted.

My issue was with his "biological imperative" nonsense.

I wouldn't call it an imperative.

Uhh...you DID call it an imperative.

Pretend I said something softer.

philliesphhan wrote:

Werthless wrote:

drsmooth wrote:Make no mistake Moz - I'm not disagreeing with W on the pay gap data. Pressed, he wouldn't insist there is NO gap - just that it isn't as large as often asserted.

My issue was with his "biological imperative" nonsense.

I wouldn't call it an imperative. I would say that men, on average, will have different priorities than women when it comes to childraising. The average man works 6 hours per week more than a woman. A Rochester Institute study found that money is the primary motivator in their job for 76% of men and only 29% of women. Again, these aren't wrong or right; it's a matter of choices, and more men than women make decisions that lead to higher pay, like entering dangerous professions such as oil-drilling, or jobs that require a ton of travel such as consulting. And spending all your time trying to "correct" these decisions is a fruitless endeavor. And throwing out 72% as evidence that there needs to be special corrective action taken by the President of the United States is... not good.

Take lawyers at nice law firms. They make the same amount of money when they get hired. They get evaluated based on billable hours, a quantifiable measure of performance that makes it difficult to discriminate (and what law firm is going to open themselves open to discrimination lawsuits). And yet, many firms struggle to develop women partners, even from their top performers. Why do so many women not become partners? Because they leave before even getting to the point where they're being evaluated for partner. Why? They sometimes want a family before they are 40, and raising a family is tough while working 50+ hours per week. It is especially hard to retain these partner-candidate women when there are perfectly well paying jobs in the corporate world for 72% of the pay, and much better quality of life.

(psst, none of that shit is biology)
I mean FFS, I'm sure we all have relatives still alive whose mothers ONLY purpose according to society was to make babies and cook and clean. It's not biology; it was forced by society.

philliesphhan wrote:(psst, none of that shit is biology)
I mean FFS, I'm sure we all have relatives still alive whose mothers ONLY purpose according to society was to make babies and cook and clean. It's not biology; it was forced by society.

philliesphhan wrote:(psst, none of that shit is biology)
I mean FFS, I'm sure we all have relatives still alive whose mothers ONLY purpose according to society was to make babies and cook and clean. It's not biology; it was forced by society.

CalvinBall wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:That there is a gender gap. Obviously not all people.

If they were going to have a question about it, they could've at the very least used the updated percentage.

I know very little about the issue. All I'm saying is people believe it, so they will act and vote as if its true. Just like the people who believe Obama is a socialist foreigner. They will vote with that "truth."

drsmooth wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:(psst, none of that shit is biology)
I mean FFS, I'm sure we all have relatives still alive whose mothers ONLY purpose according to society was to make babies and cook and clean. It's not biology; it was forced by society.

You just don't understand; economics is practically the same as physics. People are helpless to resist its inexorable forces