Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Wed Apr 11, 2012 17:20:12

jerseyhoya wrote:I thought he was ruining public education in New Jersey

Well he tried to without much success.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Apr 11, 2012 17:25:49

jerseyhoya wrote:Lugar camp mocks Mourdock's 'Confederate tie', hair dye

A top aide to Sen. Dick Lugar is charging that a necktie GOP rival Richard Mourdock frequently sports on the campaign trail carries Confederate symbolism.

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"Whether or not this exact tie is from the Ben Silver Store in Charleston, SC or someplace else, a historian would see that this tie is a take off on the Confederate Battle flag," Willkie said. "Some say that it is not exactly the thing to wear in Indiana, Lincoln's boyhood home and where the popular Indiana National Guard sees its origins directly in the Union Army."

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"I do not own a Confederate necktie. I own two ties that are red with a blue stripe with white stars. I bought them at the Republican state convention," he said. "I don't even know how to respond. I am stunned. If you're running for class president you do something like that. I don't have anything that has a Confederate symbol on it, anything like that. That's lunacy."

In his email responding to a follow-up about the tie, Willkie also lobbed another ostensibly petty charge.

"PS, We also hear that Mourdock dyes his hair," Willkie wrote in an email. "But you be the judge. . . lol."


What. the. fuck.

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The tie may or may have confederate connotations. It is however rather ugly. And again, the hair may or may not be dyed, but it's an odd hair cut--it looks like he couldn't decide whether to have a side part or a part down the middle.

That being said, Lugar's campaign staff aren't acting like the campaign staff of an incumbent.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Apr 11, 2012 17:55:29

jerseyhoya wrote:Lugar camp mocks Mourdock's 'Confederate tie', hair dye

A top aide to Sen. Dick Lugar is charging that a necktie GOP rival Richard Mourdock frequently sports on the campaign trail carries Confederate symbolism.

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"PS, We also hear that Mourdock dyes his hair," Willkie wrote in an email. "But you be the judge. . . lol."

Hmmm, I dunno...

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 11, 2012 19:03:09

christie was all sorts of wrong about everything on the tunnel he nixed:
The report by the Government Accountability Office, to be released this week, found that while Mr. Christie said that state transportation officials had revised cost estimates for the tunnel to at least $11 billion and potentially more than $14 billion, the range of estimates had in fact remained unchanged in the two years before he announced in 2010 that he was shutting down the project. And state transportation officials, the report says, had said the cost would be no more than $10 billion.

Mr. Christie also misstated New Jersey’s share of the costs: he said the state would pay 70 percent of the project; the report found that New Jersey was paying 14.4 percent. And while the governor said that an agreement with the federal government would require the state to pay all cost overruns, the report found that there was no final agreement, and that the federal government had made several offers to share those costs.

Canceling the tunnel, then the largest public works project in the nation, helped shape Mr. Christie’s profile as a rising Republican star, an enforcer of fiscal discipline in a country drunk on debt. But the report is likely to revive criticism that his decision, which he said was about “hard choices” in tough economic times, was more about avoiding the need to raise the state’s gasoline tax, which would have violated a campaign promise. The governor subsequently steered $4 billion earmarked for the tunnel to the state’s near-bankrupt transportation trust fund, traditionally financed by the gasoline tax.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby lethal » Wed Apr 11, 2012 19:07:21

He wasn't wrong about why he cancelled it, he just lied about it.

But the report is likely to revive criticism that his decision, which he said was about “hard choices” in tough economic times, was more about avoiding the need to raise the state’s gasoline tax, which would have violated a campaign promise. The governor subsequently steered $4 billion earmarked for the tunnel to the state’s near-bankrupt transportation trust fund, traditionally financed by the gasoline tax.


That's the real reason and it worked out for him.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Apr 11, 2012 19:27:22

to destroy a worthy infrastructure project for political gain? yayyy, he wins! we win!
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:09:10

Democratic Strategist Hilary Rosen generated instant bipartisan criticism Wednesday night for her statement that Ann Romney has "actually never worked a day in her life."

"What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country, saying, 'Well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues, and when I listen to my wife, that's what I'm hearing.' Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life," Rosen said.

"She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing, in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school, and why do we worry about their future," Rosen continued, adding that Romney "just seems so old fashioned when it comes to women."



I do not who Hilary Rosen is, but if I'm Obama, I would be demanding she commit seppuku immediately. It's amazing how people this dumb can be allowed near a microphone. I would absolutely crush this if I was Romney.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:35:03

Mrs. Romney started a twitter yesterday and already responded to it saying she worked very hard to raise 5 kids. agree that it was a dumb thing to say, but romney and co. have said much worse things PR-wise. I mean, just yesterday his people had a phone conference on women's issues, and when sam stein asked if they support the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, there was a long silence followed by, "sam we'll get back to you on that."
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:43:44

td11 wrote:Mrs. Romney started a twitter yesterday and already responded to it saying she worked very hard to raise 5 kids. agree that it was a dumb thing to say, but romney and co. have said much worse things PR-wise. I mean, just yesterday his people had a phone conference on women's issues, and when sam stein asked if they support the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, there was a long silence followed by, "sam we'll get back to you on that."


No doubt, but the truth is that the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act doesn't resonate the same way that the Romney thing will with independents and stay-at-home moms on either side. It basically writes itself: lesbian democratic Obama strategist with no respect for traditional family values launches unsolicited attack on stay-at-home moms on the grounds that they (1) don't do any work and (2) are too stupid to understand economic issues, therefore their opinions are worthless and meaningless, and then refuses to apologize.

Right or wrong doesn't interest me nearly as much as strategic idiocy. I hope they flay her.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:46:31

Looks like they're rebranding the "Buffett Rule" as the "Romney Rule." This could play really well for the president.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:49:26

lol sucks that she's a lez. they're gonna go to town with that. and it's pretty stupid if she doesn't come out and issue a simple, "sorry, my b"

obama has a double digit lead with lady voters in polls right now, though. i think (hope) this isn't a big enough gaffe to put a dent in it.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:53:21

td11 wrote:lol sucks that she's a lez. they're gonna go to town with that. and it's pretty stupid if she doesn't come out and issue a simple, "sorry, my b"

obama has a double digit lead with lady voters in polls right now, though. i think (hope) this isn't a big enough gaffe to put a dent in it.


She's doing the complete opposite, which is THE WORST possible response

"They're attacking me," she said Thursday morning on CNN. "That's fine but it does not erase (Mitt Romney's) woeful record" on women's issues.


"This really isn’t about stay-at-home vs. working moms," she said " I have kids. It's the hardest job I've ever had. Romney has brought his wife into conversation. ... It's a strategic to attack me rather than talk about the issues."



Really, STFU and apologize you dumb fuck
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:01:40

Seems like it can go either way. I think it would be equally easy to spin out over privileged, out of touch, etc. against a back drop of poverty, escalating college costs, single parenting, service member spouses qualifying for food stamps, and so on. I bet the issue disappears quickly on both sides.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Apr 12, 2012 14:01:33



I know being White House press secretary is hard, but this is TERRIBLE spin. First you don't kill the story (which has to be job one here and really shouldn't be that hard because a) she doesn't work directly for Obama and b) what she said wasn't that awful) because it allows for the easy follow up tomorrow "OK now that you've had 24 hours to answer our question of how many times she visited, what's the answer?". Second, according to Lexis-Nexis there are apparently only 33 Hilary Rosens in the entire United States - it's an incredibly uncommon name. What are the odds Carney knows three people by that name and that any of the other Hilary Rosens in America are also Democratic strategists who visit the White House on a regular basis?

God, you had to know the question was coming. How the fuck is that your answer?

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 12, 2012 14:31:55

jerseyhoya wrote:God, you had to know the question was coming. How the fuck is that your answer?


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uhhh, jerz, we'll get back to you on that
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby lethal » Thu Apr 12, 2012 15:42:52

How many Hillary Rosens are there?

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Apr 12, 2012 15:45:42

While the comment was pretty freakin' dumb, I have trouble believing that Ann Romney is very easy to identify with. maybe more to the point, I doubt that the sort of people--less educated working moms--who might accept wholesale the Republican take here, to the point where it might move their votes, are paying that-close attention right now anyway.

Most Americans really don't give a shit. Frothy's dropping out probably was received, if at all, as a kind of temporary reprieve from thinking about politics.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Thu Apr 12, 2012 15:49:56

This is the kind of shit, out of both parties, that drives me up a wall. Carney sounds like Bill Clinton and his "what do you mean by sexual relations" bullshit. First, the woman is a Democratic strategist; of course she has visited the White House. Second, she has no official position on Obama's staff. Third, and most importantly, she does not speak for this President and Mr. Obama vehemently disagrees with Ms. Rosen's assessment that raising five children is the equivalent of having "never worked a day in her life". End of story.

Now, granted, Ann Romney raising five children while married to a billionaire is not quite the same as middle America mom raising five children married to the Magtag repair man. Still, Rosen's comments were idiotic and created an unnecessary side issue for the President.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:05:38

traderdave wrote:Now, granted, Ann Romney raising five children while married to a billionaire is not quite the same as middle America mom raising five children married to the Magtag repair man. Still, Rosen's comments were idiotic and created an unnecessary side issue for the President.


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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Apr 12, 2012 16:42:18

drsmooth wrote:
traderdave wrote:Now, granted, Ann Romney raising five children while married to a billionaire is not quite the same as middle America mom raising five children married to the Magtag repair man. Still, Rosen's comments were idiotic and created an unnecessary side issue for the President.


she's sorry, she's sorry


“I apologize to Ann Romney and anyone else who was offended,” Ms. Rosen said in a statement issued by her firm. “Let’s declare peace in this phony war and go back to focus on the substance.”



OMFG, why cant she just say she's sorry and leave it that?
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