Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby lethal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 17:27:52

jerseyhoya wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/qanda-sen-sheldon-whitehouse-explains-how-the-buffett-rule-will-work/2011/08/25/gIQArQCWkQ_blog.html - Q&A with the sponsor

Ezra Klein: Let me begin with a technical question. How do you avoid a massive tax cliff as people move from making a taxable income of $999,999 to $1,000,001? Because if the rise is too steep, the bill will encourage tax evasion.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Two things. I suppose I could put up with a certain amount of that because it’s a lesser problem than having people making $270 million a year paying a lower tax rate than the plumbers who come to fix their sinks. But the more specific answer is that in the course of our discussions over the bill, that problem has emerged, and we’ve adapted the bill to have a phase in between one and two million. So you pay a portion of the tax the Buffett rule adds as you go up the line between one and two million and it doesn’t kick in fully until you get to two million.

EK: So if it’s not 30 percent, what’s the minimum effective tax rate someone making $1,000,001 would pay?

SW: It’s hard to do the math on that because it would be highly specific to their situation. If they were paying 18 percent now, and if they only went over one million by one dollar, they would be 18 percent plus one one-millionth of the Buffett rule adjustment. And if they were one dollar short of two million, they would pay the full 30 percent minus one one-million of the full adjustment. So there’s a ramp.


I'm not exactly sure what the Buffett Rule Adjustment works out to be or how they calculate it, but this is what I've found on the interwebs.


That's how I would do it, but I probably would've started the ramp at 500K for individuals (1M for married filing jointly) so that a person who makes exactly 1M (2M for MFJ) hits the full Buffet Rule to be in line with what Obama actually said. And then that gets negotiated down. (I figure there's maybe a 40% chance of this bill passing anyway).

Even at 500K, it doesn't affect that many people. The income split to the top 1% is about 350K. Top .1% is $1.4 million, so you're looking at maybe the top .2% of taxpayers affected at 1M and maybe top .8% at 0.5M.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby thephan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 17:39:00

Just the idea of $1M filing jointly made me laugh. Just seems absurd to me, and I feel like we do pretty well, but $1000000.00 is not even on our radar as annual income.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby thephan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 17:54:24

jerseyhoya wrote:
PEORIA, Ill
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To deafening applause, Senator Santorum lifted a piece of shale into the air and assured his supporters he would be the nominee, with a realistic anticipation that the election results in previous primary contests will be voided at the party’s convention in Tampa.



Only if Slick Rick smashes the shale over Romney's head hard enough to cause disability is he even in the ballpark for the nomination. This thing is dragging on forever. I guess it speaks to the quality of the candidates submitted for our approval. Romeny just need to stay the course and ignoring his GOP rivals.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 20:48:54

Romney wins Illinois

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Polar Bear Phan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 20:57:05

jerseyhoya wrote:Romney wins Illinois


Plus, Pacino's an even worse predictor of Republican primaries than Nightman. ;)

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Polar Bear Phan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 21:35:12

Looks like Santorum will win anywhere from 2-6 congressional districts (most likely 2-4) and get around 15 delegates (probably less). Romney will get around 50 delegates and probably a few more.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 21:38:29

Seems like the chattering folks on Twitter liked Romney's speech better than usual tonight.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 23:07:57

Adam Kinzinger beats Don Manzullo in an incumbent on incumbent primary. 34 year old over a 68 year old. Good to see youth served.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Tue Mar 20, 2012 23:12:42

depends on their opinions
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 23:23:34

They're house members, who cares what they think? Fwiw, the tea party groups were backing Manzullo. Kinzinger had support of Eric Cantor's Young Guns PAC. You don't like any of those people.

It's really unbelievable Santorum is running under the FREEDOM banner. He hates libertarianism.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Tue Mar 20, 2012 23:27:41

well, he wants a theocracy
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby dajafi » Tue Mar 20, 2012 23:32:27

jerseyhoya wrote:They're house members, who cares what they think? Fwiw, the tea party groups were backing Manzullo. Kinzinger had support of Eric Cantor's Young Guns PAC. You don't like any of those people.

It's really unbelievable Santorum is running under the FREEDOM banner. He hates libertarianism.


His speech was on at the gym, on CNN. They have little summary captions every couple minutes, I guess for people like me watching with the sound off. One said something like "SANTORUM: GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CONTROL OUR LIVES." All I could think was, "...which should be left to the Church."

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed Mar 21, 2012 08:21:58

jerseyhoya wrote:
President Obama's proposed "Buffett rule" tax on Americans earning more than $1 million a year would only raise $31 billion in revenue over 11 years according to a new numbers from Congress' official tax analysts.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., recently introduced legislation implementing Obama's Buffett rule in the Senate and the Associated Press obtained a copy of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimate of legislation today. Contacted for a copy of the report, the JTC said it was private score and would not be made public unless requested by Sen. Whitehouse.


El Oh El


almost as funny as Ryan's budget proposal
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 08:38:56

Oh please let the dog issue help sink this guy...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... ?ref=fpblg

There is growing talk about Mitt Romney’s “dog problem.” Before the issue was specified in the poll, only 20% of voters said they had a favorable opinion of Romney’s treatment of dogs; 29% said unfavorable. That compares to the president’s 44-14 spread on the issue. Even Republicans only think their nomination frontrunner is kind to man’s best friend by a 26-14 margin, while Democrats give the president’s puppy friendliness a 66-7 nod. 37% say Obama would be a better president for dogs, while 21% choose Romney. 16% of Republicans cross over for Obama on this issue, versus only 11% of Democrats for Romney. Independents go 38-14 for the president.


Mitt treats his own family this poorly, how will he treat your family? Don't forget, he enjoys firing people and spent much of his business life doing just that at Bain.
Agnostic dyslexic insomniacs lay awake all night wondering if there is a Dog.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 21, 2012 08:51:15

I can't tell if Monkeyboy is serious about the dog stuff or if he's been doing a liberal version of Colbert's character type thing on it

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby td11 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 09:28:58

jerseyhoya wrote:I can't tell if Monkeyboy is serious about the dog stuff or if he's been doing a liberal version of Colbert's character type thing on it


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:50:00

Wow, some people in Illinois weren't able to vote for rick santorum because they vote for delegates who support candidates and he didn't get any on ballots in multiple counties.

What a dumb way to vote.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:03:37

Why did people laugh when mitt Romney said 'professor Barack Obama'?


Also, rick santorum lived in public housing, and thus was likely on snap and Medicaid. Mooch.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:39:25

pacino wrote:Wow, some people in Illinois weren't able to vote for rick santorum because they vote for delegates who support candidates and he didn't get any on ballots in multiple counties.

What a dumb way to vote.

He was on the ballot statewide. The statewide vote wasn't how delegates were allocated though.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Polar Bear Phan » Wed Mar 21, 2012 14:14:06

Actually, several states set it up like Illinois (including PA). There's a statewide vote for the at large delegates and a vote for congressional district based delegates themselves.

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