Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 18, 2012 23:40:57

pacino wrote:Santorum will win Illinois.

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Final Illinois numbers: Romney 45, Santorum 30, Gingrich 12, Paul 10

The first Rasmussen Reports poll in the state shows Romney at 41% and Rick Santorum at 32%. Trailing further back are Newt Gingrich at 14% and Ron Paul at seven percent (7%)

pacino vs. IVR polling. WHO WILL WIN?

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Sun Mar 18, 2012 23:49:22

im rooting for me
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Polar Bear Phan » Mon Mar 19, 2012 03:17:38

Ron Paul finished 6th in Puerto Rico and Buddy Roemer finished 3rd. WTF

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Mon Mar 19, 2012 06:01:31

I saw Nate had something up about Santo overperforming his poll numbers (like I said earlier but jh said I was wrong--hah!), so don't give up Pac!
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Mon Mar 19, 2012 09:26:26

cnn didnt even mention buddy roemer. what a joke.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:05:54



Irresponsible! Unpatriotic!

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Bucky » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:56:57

that Rick Ungar guy from Forbes (whom SK linked on FB) seems pretty fair and balanced with his analyses. Any opinions here?

I did read a piece from Charles Krackhoutahadfhgwsgamer (sp?) the other day. what utter garbage.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Mon Mar 19, 2012 18:34:04

New Jersey as a good government leader? - Not exactly sure what all went into this, but the state really has made some strides over the past decade under Codey, Corzine and Fatty McGee. If not the best in the country, it would at least be nice to get to a point where we're not consistently lumped in with the worst states. Illinois and Louisiana are also in the top half here, so I'd have to rate this a dubious claim. Still, better than a stick in the eye.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Mon Mar 19, 2012 18:54:44

PA judges and redistricting get an F. sounds about right.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby thephan » Mon Mar 19, 2012 23:07:38

pacino wrote:PA judges and redistricting get an F. sounds about right.


VA got an F in ethics and potential for corruption due to the lack of campaign finance laws.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby Didn't I? » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:51:49

This is probably the best one of these I've ever seen:

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:37:23

thephan wrote:
pacino wrote:PA judges and redistricting get an F. sounds about right.


VA got an F in ethics and potential for corruption due to the lack of campaign finance laws.

And crap FOIA provisions. Every single state and local employee can have their names and salaries published, but a sheriff can't be FOIA'd b/c he's a constitutional officer.

Yeah, that's fair.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:38:01

Didn't I? wrote:This is probably the best one of these I've ever seen:

The editing and getting all the clips is really awesome. Maybe since I only clicked on it after seeing people rave about it on Twitter and Didn't I's review here I was expecting more, but I didn't think the lyrics themselves were all that clever.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 14:06:49

President Obama's proposed "Buffett rule" tax on Americans earning more than $1 million a year would only raise $31 billion in revenue over 11 years according to a new numbers from Congress' official tax analysts.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., recently introduced legislation implementing Obama's Buffett rule in the Senate and the Associated Press obtained a copy of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimate of legislation today. Contacted for a copy of the report, the JTC said it was private score and would not be made public unless requested by Sen. Whitehouse.


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby lethal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 15:12:46

jerseyhoya wrote:
President Obama's proposed "Buffett rule" tax on Americans earning more than $1 million a year would only raise $31 billion in revenue over 11 years according to a new numbers from Congress' official tax analysts.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., recently introduced legislation implementing Obama's Buffett rule in the Senate and the Associated Press obtained a copy of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimate of legislation today. Contacted for a copy of the report, the JTC said it was private score and would not be made public unless requested by Sen. Whitehouse.


El Oh El


Anyone working in tax knew that proposal was more for show (and you know, fairness) than to raise actual money.

I still wonder about the implementation. If your AGI is 1 million, you get hit with 35%, if you're at $999,999 you get taxed at whatever rate you'd otherwise get taxed at? No phase in or phase out, no graduated system? In no other place in the tax code is there such a cliff like that would be.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 15:21:30

I think the proposal was written to scale it in between $1 mil and $2 mil, so you're not paying the full bit until $2 mil for your whole income. I'm not exactly sure how it would work, but I don't think there's a cliff like you're saying.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby lethal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 16:36:41

jerseyhoya wrote:I think the proposal was written to scale it in between $1 mil and $2 mil, so you're not paying the full bit until $2 mil for your whole income. I'm not exactly sure how it would work, but I don't think there's a cliff like you're saying.


I don't know either, that's why I asked. The way you describe it, it wouldn't truly be every person making over a millin bucks pays a minimum rate of X though. They'd have to scale it in starting at like 500K. And then did he mean individuals? So married folks get hit at 2 million?

Even if you start scaling it up, you wouldn't get a ETR of 30% for the first million unless the rate for 750K+ were well above 30% since the ETR for below like 150K is like 20%.

I'm not sure and I haven't read real details of implementation anywhere, so unless the JTC defined it, I'm not sure how they calculated a number either.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 16:39:17

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html - Q&A with the sponsor

Ezra Klein: Let me begin with a technical question. How do you avoid a massive tax cliff as people move from making a taxable income of $999,999 to $1,000,001? Because if the rise is too steep, the bill will encourage tax evasion.

Sheldon Whitehouse: Two things. I suppose I could put up with a certain amount of that because it’s a lesser problem than having people making $270 million a year paying a lower tax rate than the plumbers who come to fix their sinks. But the more specific answer is that in the course of our discussions over the bill, that problem has emerged, and we’ve adapted the bill to have a phase in between one and two million. So you pay a portion of the tax the Buffett rule adds as you go up the line between one and two million and it doesn’t kick in fully until you get to two million.

EK: So if it’s not 30 percent, what’s the minimum effective tax rate someone making $1,000,001 would pay?

SW: It’s hard to do the math on that because it would be highly specific to their situation. If they were paying 18 percent now, and if they only went over one million by one dollar, they would be 18 percent plus one one-millionth of the Buffett rule adjustment. And if they were one dollar short of two million, they would pay the full 30 percent minus one one-million of the full adjustment. So there’s a ramp.


I'm not exactly sure what the Buffett Rule Adjustment works out to be or how they calculate it, but this is what I've found on the interwebs.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 20, 2012 16:45:34

Romney Loses Illinois by Winning; Santorum Triumph - Maybe this is what pacino was going for

PEORIA, Ill. — Former Mass. Governor Mitt Romney eked out a single-digit nine-point victory in the Illinois Republican primary Tuesday night, losing among working class men, rural Evangelical senior citizens, and Franciscan friars while squeaking past his surging rival by a narrow margin in a state that is near the state in which he was born.

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To deafening applause, Senator Santorum lifted a piece of shale into the air and assured his supporters he would be the nominee, with a realistic anticipation that the election results in previous primary contests will be voided at the party’s convention in Tampa.

"This primary was another disaster for Romney," said veteran Illinois political consultant David Axelrod. "The base of the Republican party lives in bomb shelters plotting the overthrow of the government. Romney simply is not getting those voters."

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Most analysts tracking the campaign believe this was another good night for the insurgent Santorum campaign, as Romney again failed to win the votes of several Tea Party members.

Said a top aide to Santorum, "If the Romney folks think they can beat Obama with moderates and swing voters, they don’t grasp what it takes to win elections."

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Unread postby pacino » Tue Mar 20, 2012 16:52:42

Before clicking on it, I figured that was an onion link

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