It sure is a fundamental right, and all I ask is that you show me you're you before I bestow it on you. Man that's dirty.

jeff2sf wrote:Smoothie, I'm not going to decide any vote for any politician by whether or not they support voter IDs. It's so far down the list of priorities for me it's laughable. But I was just weighing in on my opinion that it seems eminently reasonable to ask someone to show ID. It also seems eminently reasonable to fund whatever program we need to in order to make sure people can get the IDs they need, even if we have to go to them. EMINENTLY REASONABLE.

You know who's most staunchly opposed to this sort of mandatory ID thing, don't you

I do. Me and him don't have to agree on everything. His livelihood is staked to him making sure every last voter has no impediment to vote. A more cynical view might be that every last voter of his has no impediment to SEVERAL votes. Chicago machine FTW.

It's pretty unfeasible to pump out 15-20million ids in time for any election. If this were a genuine effort to help people and society and came with a door-to-door campaign for every adult in the us, i'd probably be for it. As it is, it's just to make it harder for those most in need to access one of their fundamental rights.

jeff2sf wrote:I do. Me and him don't have to agree on everything. His livelihood is staked to him making sure every last voter has no impediment to vote. A more cynical view might be that every last voter of his has no impediment to SEVERAL votes. Chicago machine FTW.

what the hell are you talking about

the people MOST opposed to mandatory IDs also believe fluoridated water is a communist conspiracy

I'm talking about people who would line up behind this guy

No offense smooth, but i rarely decipher your posts. Could you possibly be clearer?

I do find it interesting that libertarian werthless is for more ids.

pacino wrote:No offense smooth, but i rarely decipher your posts. Could you possibly be clearer?

The character depicted in my last post is one Colonel Jack D Ripper, the deranged and inchoately right-of-center pivotal figure in Dr. Strangelove

please tell me you've heard of Dr. Strangelove

Bakestar wrote:What types of ID are these proposed initiatives requiring?

Retinal scans. RFID microchip implants.

Srsly. People of color and poor people are less likely to have a valid photo ID showing their current address. I guess the same can be said about any/many non-homeowner (renter, student, etc.). That being, the chance their photo ID address matches their voter reg record (address at time of voter registration... who remembers to change their voter reg address when they move?) would be less likely.

To show the seriousness of these proposals, when Georgia passed its ID law a couple years back, you had to come in person to get your ID. They set up a limited number of ID centers -- none of which were in the two counties having the largest population of African Americans. So, poor minority voters who don't have a car have to travel to another county to get their ID. PA has a system where if you are voting at a voting district for the first time, you simply have to bring some ID with you. A fairly broad list of possible IDs is permitted.

Berlusconi was caught on tape saying he wanted out of this (italy) shitty country. Maybe youre just a shitty pm and human being.

State seeks federal aid for Irene damage

In a letter to the White House today, Governor Corbett asserted that the magnitude of the damage is beyond the response capabilities of the state and affected local governments and requires supplementary federal assistance, said a news release from Corbett's office.

hmmm....can't pay for your state problems in an emergency and run to the federal government for money? tsk tsk. Your party is currently supporting a philosophy of cutting other expenses to meet the spending needed for emergencies such as this past "hurricane". What gives guv'nor?

Warszawa wrote:Your party is currently supporting a philosophy of cutting other expenses to meet the spending needed for emergencies such as this past "hurricane".

That's just part of the game plan to get rid of "Obamacare".

A Dispatch Disaster in Six Acts - All the WikiLeaks info is now available unredacted. Great work all around fellas.

So that jobs report yesterday sucked

Who's getting pumped for Obama having trouble breaking 200 electoral votes? I know I am.

How about that

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I thought the Dominionist-Reconstructionist movement didn't recognize saints.

The persecution complex that seems especially prevalent among certain elements of the right is one of the most mind boggling things in politics ever. It's like when those college kids from privileged families wrote the Port Huron statement claiming that they were just as oppressed as third world peoples.

I somehow missed this... when the FAA got shut down during "zOMG default!", there was essentially a 2 week "tax holiday" as there was no FAA to collect the 7.5% air transportation excise tax. Instead of lower ticket prices, the airlines raised their prices accordingly as to appear airfares hadn't changed. So instead of $400 million of consumer savings, or tax revenue for the guvmit (if the FAA hadn't been shut down), the airlines enjoyed "a $400 million bonanza."