Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Aug 30, 2011 07:03:30

phdave wrote:
pacino wrote:He wants us to go back to the glory days of Galveston, TX in 1900 (his home district). This guy is beyond a satire.


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From that photo you can see why Ron Paul liked 1900: Things were being led my two Republicans.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby kopphanatic » Tue Aug 30, 2011 08:20:52

The crews that removed and burned the bodies at Galveston were given whiskey as they worked. I read a book about that storm a couple years ago and it terrified me.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby kopphanatic » Tue Aug 30, 2011 08:42:44

There was an orphanage there run by nuns. When the storm came in, the nuns tied the children together with ropes and bed sheets, thinking that if the children stayed together they would be ok.

Didn't work.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby thephan » Tue Aug 30, 2011 09:34:21

traderdave wrote:The fact that Michele Bachmann is even a candidate for POTUS scares the #$&! out of me:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bach ... 51199.html

Are these people really the best that our great country has to offer?


Come on, she was just kidding. I heard the audio. One day she said what she said, then she slept on it, then her political advisers told her she done bad, then she said it was all a joke. So it was just humor.

So, not to defend Ms. Bachmann, but I made the same essential joke about the last week in Washington. I added that it was a warning, because the Politicians are taking a much needed break now that they have taken care of the business of the people and the country. The difference is the context, I was yucking it up with friends over a beer and we actually chuckled at the sarcasm, she did not seem so sarcastic in her presentation and a public event is not really the same a a few people around a pub table.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Aug 30, 2011 09:46:35

Forgive me for taking the more cynical/political view: She wants to have it both ways. She says it in front of a Shriners' Temple audience to please the right-wing Evangelicals then, the day after, her peeps say it was just a joke to try to diffuse the comment for the more moderate among us. I don't for a minute believe she went off script with that comment. I believe the comment and the next day's response by her team were pre-planned and coordinated.

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby traderdave » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:38:58

The difference, phan, is that you aren't running for president. I actually believe she probably WAS joking (I hope she was only joking). My problem is that a candidate for POTUS should not be cracking jokes about natural disasters. WTF is so funny about a hurricane that caused the evacuation of millions of people, caused $7 billion to $20 billion in damage and, oh yeah, killed 38 people? Or a 5.8 earthquake that was felt over half the country and into Canada? And it isn't because she is who she is and I clearly think she is nuts. I would be saying the same thing if Obama or Biden or Clinton made the "joke".

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby momadance » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:56:58

It's amazing that she has made it this far. America has let me down. Honestly, I doubt she was joking. We all saw the article CD wrote last week. There are way too many people who seriously believe this crap.

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby thephan » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:29:39

I completely agree. If I were standing in front my my congregation with a chance to speak about something, I am not going to have a run at God's wrath on the East Coast/DC (especially as DC is less then 20 minutes down the road). Even if she thought it was funny, and now that I watched the clip she is sort of smirking, she did a poor job of conveying her humor and she certainly took not a second to make that clear.

My yuck fest, during a few beers as the storm was abating here, feeling like we dodged a bullet, was a fine time to reflect on the week. No cameras rolling and no chance of being quoted for any ting of any consequence.

As to the point if she is credible. No. She has not been credible from the start. She needs to disappear so we might find someone who is qualified as a leader. At the moment, she is part of the embarrassing dysfunction that is our current operating political system.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby Wizlah » Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:48:20

If you're gonna use 3rd parties to source planes for rendition flights, best be sure they don't get sued:

In June 2002, defendant entered into a contract with plaintiff pursuant to which plaintiff would provide exclusive use of a single Gulfstream IV aircraft to the United States Government in transactions brokered by defendant for a term to expire on November 6, 2002. An appendix to the contract provided that defendant would guarantee 250 flight time hours within six months[*] "and the option to do fifty (50) hours per month thereafter." It is undisputed that the charter price was significantly lower than the market rate. Defendant continued to broker flights between the Government and plaintiff until 2005. In 2006, plaintiff submitted an invoice to defendant requesting payment for unused flight time allegedly guaranteed to it by defendant. Defendant rejected the invoice and plaintiff thereafter commenced this action for, among other things, damages.


More detail here:

Richmor was providing the aircraft for DynCorp, a private military company, which was acting on behalf of the CIA. The bills for the operation passed through Sportsflight and a second aircraft broker, Capital Aviation. Portions of DynCorp were sold by its parent company in 2005. The entity that was sold became known as DynCorp International.

The aircraft's ultimate owner was Phillip Morse, an American businessman with substantial sporting interests who was subsequently appointed vice-chairman of Fenway Sports Group, the company that owns Liverpool FC. In between rendition flights the aircraft was used to fly the Boston Red Sox baseball team.


Invoices submitted to the court as evidence tally with flights suspected of ferrying around individuals who were captured and delivered into the CIA's network of secret jails around the world. Some of the invoices present in stark detail the expense claims that crew members were submitting on their secret journeys, down to £3 biscuits and £30 bottles of wine.


On a more serious note, all this stuff is a matter of public record, yet when anyone else either in the UK or the US has tried to bring cases or dig up information about the rendition flights, it's been prevented on the basis of national security (e.g the civil case for costs joined by, amongst others, binyam mohammed). Don't know how it's going to affect those cases.

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 31, 2011 19:10:31

Wizlah wrote:
In between rendition flights the aircraft was used to fly the Boston Red Sox baseball team.



sorry Wiz, I know you were frying bigger fish, but the superficial part of me, which is also the most assertive part, read only this

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby Wizlah » Wed Aug 31, 2011 19:13:24

drsmooth wrote:
Wizlah wrote:
In between rendition flights the aircraft was used to fly the Boston Red Sox baseball team.



sorry Wiz, I know you were frying bigger fish, but the superficial part of me, which is also the most assertive part, read only this

I had always wondered what became of Oil Can Boyd


Nope, the superficial part of me had a chuckle too. The cheeks of the red sox were THIS CLOSE to terror.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Aug 31, 2011 19:53:14

Finally an LFC political tie I can get behind

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby Wizlah » Wed Aug 31, 2011 19:56:07

jerseyhoya wrote:Finally an LFC political tie I can get behind

/kidding
//kind of


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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Wed Aug 31, 2011 23:47:05

I thought it was a real ballsy move by Obama to call for a joint session of Congress on the same night as a GOP debate to talk about jobs. But then Boehner whined and Obama pussed out. Completely gutless. How very disappointing.
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby dajafi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 08:44:27

GrizzledVeteran wrote:I thought it was a real ballsy move by Obama to call for a joint session of Congress on the same night as a GOP debate to talk about jobs. But then Boehner whined and Obama pussed out. Completely gutless. How very disappointing.


No, no, it's a doubly statesmanlike move. The Republicans doubtless will appreciate the consideration he's shown them and will moderate their positions, and a grateful public will be both more attentive and receptive to his no doubt bold ideas when their other viewing choice is the boring NFL season opener rather than the thrilling verbal contest to see who can advance farthest up Grover Norquist's pockmarked ass.

Seriously, NOTHING could show how completely Obama's gone Beltway than this moronic and gutless decision.

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby thephan » Thu Sep 01, 2011 09:24:08

Which decision Daf? To "mistakenly" ask to schedule over a brain dead debate 14 moths out from the election or to fold to Boehner by getting his speech into our ears during the NFL opener?

If anything, it shows us just how dysfunctional the whole political arena is in 2011. I think if it were me, I would set the speech for Tuesday and do it on the capital steps. I would spend about 90 second explaining that Boehner and Reed are busy on vacation and would not open the doors a minute before they are scheduled to return to work to discuss jobs and the economy, in the name of serving process, not the people. I would close the rant with the wish that the members of the house and senate are listening, then I would launch into my agenda. If the republicans request time for a counter position, I would be sure to mention that they have time to politic, just not time to work as a spiteful counterpoint to the claim that all Obama does is campaign.

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby drsmooth » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:40:03

thephan wrote:I think if it were me, I would set the speech for Tuesday and do it on the capital steps. I would spend about 90 second explaining that Boehner and Reed are busy on vacation and would not open the doors a minute before they are scheduled to return to work to discuss jobs and the economy, in the name of serving process, not the people.


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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby jeff2sf » Thu Sep 01, 2011 13:27:04

Wait, explain this to me. The GOP scheduled a debate a while ago (I assume jerseyhoya can tell me exactly when). Why did President Obama request a speech on the day they scheduled a debate. It's just a speech. And I love Obama, Obama's doing a much better job than all of you give him credit for (I kind of thought Sullivan pantsed you in that e-mail dajafi).

Setting aside the party labels for a second, the GOP reserved that date well in advance. Both the debate and the jobs speech are just a bunch of words. Nothing will actually be done solely on the basis of these words. Obama can give the speech today, tomorrow, the next day, whenever. It has ZERO impact on what will or will not get passed.

So given the meaninglessness of all of this, which you all get way to wrapped up in, why not give preference to the group that actually scheduled their thing months in advance?
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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Sep 01, 2011 16:31:50

I'm not sure how Obama scheduling up against a GOP debate (which has been scheduled for Sep. 7th since early May) is ballsy. It's a dickish, petty move if he did it on purpose. He doesn't need to step on an early season primary debate to get press attention. All the major networks will cover a presidential address to a joint session of Congress. If he actually wants to build momentum to pass something this year, starting off by giving the GOP the middle finger seems like a weird way of going about business. Additionally the Dems seem to be pinning a lot of their hopes for next year on the zaniness of the GOP field turning off swing voters. Why he'd want to steal the spotlight from a night of Bachmann, Perry, Paul, Newt, Cain and the rest trading zingers, I'm not sure. The only explanation that makes sense to me is if they just didn't realize there was a GOP debate already scheduled for that night when they picked the time initially.

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Re: Politics: The Arse of the Unpossible

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Sep 01, 2011 16:43:06

I thought they said they called Boehner's office and were told there was no problem. So they must have known. Boehner then said that he never approved it. Either way, it looks like the WH knew about the debate.

But I agree with what you're saying. No need to distract from the GOP debate this far out.
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