Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos: A politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Dec 13, 2010 18:22:31

Tax compromise passes cloture in the Senate 83-15

Your turn, Nancy
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Postby Wizlah » Mon Dec 13, 2010 18:26:57

I'm officially turning into grumpy old guy. Fucking kids. they know nothing:

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/13/social-survey-thatcherite-britain]It finds that the public is now less sympathetic towards benefit claimants than at the end of the Thatcher era. In 1991, 58% thought the government should spend more on benefits. By 2009 that had more than halved to 27%.

Just over half (51%) backed policies to redistribute income from rich to poor in 1989, compared with 36% now. The researchers blamed the "significant change in political rhetoric" throughout the New Labour years, with the abandonment of Clause 4, the party's promise to redistribute wealth, and the emphasis in welfare policies on people going back to work. "This could be due to the reluctance of parties on the left to talk positively about redistribution, which has become synonymous with an 'Old Labour' 'tax and spend' approach," the report says.

But concern about inequality in wealth has simultaneously grown, with 78% of people now saying the income gap between rich and poor is too large. The report argues that the difference between high levels of concern about that income gap and support for policies to redistribute wealth is explained by "self-interest" on the part of higher earners who do not want to lose money from their pay packets to support others and a perception of "laziness" among poorer people.[/url]


Maybe it's just people in general I hate.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Dec 13, 2010 21:15:07

Steele running for reelection

Go away

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:29:42

Wizlah wrote:I'm officially turning into grumpy old guy. #$&! kids. they know nothing:

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/13/social-survey-thatcherite-britain]It finds that the public is now less sympathetic towards benefit claimants than at the end of the Thatcher era. In 1991, 58% thought the government should spend more on benefits. By 2009 that had more than halved to 27%.

Just over half (51%) backed policies to redistribute income from rich to poor in 1989, compared with 36% now. The researchers blamed the "significant change in political rhetoric" throughout the New Labour years, with the abandonment of Clause 4, the party's promise to redistribute wealth, and the emphasis in welfare policies on people going back to work. "This could be due to the reluctance of parties on the left to talk positively about redistribution, which has become synonymous with an 'Old Labour' 'tax and spend' approach," the report says.

But concern about inequality in wealth has simultaneously grown, with 78% of people now saying the income gap between rich and poor is too large. The report argues that the difference between high levels of concern about that income gap and support for policies to redistribute wealth is explained by "self-interest" on the part of higher earners who do not want to lose money from their pay packets to support others and a perception of "laziness" among poorer people.[/url]


Maybe it's just people in general I hate.

#$&! labour. #$&! Blair.


It's not exactly intelligent, and perhaps there's a more sinister propaganda deal afoot, but it's not entirely unreasonable that an increasingly pinched middle class would rather keep it's money than to help those less well off. That is, they don't see rich people footing the bill for social programs, they see themselves paying for it.

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Postby drsmooth » Tue Dec 14, 2010 13:28:54

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Wizlah wrote:I'm officially turning into grumpy old guy. #$&! kids. they know nothing:

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/13/social-survey-thatcherite-britain]It finds that the public is now less sympathetic towards benefit claimants than at the end of the Thatcher era. In 1991, 58% thought the government should spend more on benefits. By 2009 that had more than halved to 27%.

Just over half (51%) backed policies to redistribute income from rich to poor in 1989, compared with 36% now. The researchers blamed the "significant change in political rhetoric" throughout the New Labour years, with the abandonment of Clause 4, the party's promise to redistribute wealth, and the emphasis in welfare policies on people going back to work. "This could be due to the reluctance of parties on the left to talk positively about redistribution, which has become synonymous with an 'Old Labour' 'tax and spend' approach," the report says.

But concern about inequality in wealth has simultaneously grown, with 78% of people now saying the income gap between rich and poor is too large. The report argues that the difference between high levels of concern about that income gap and support for policies to redistribute wealth is explained by "self-interest" on the part of higher earners who do not want to lose money from their pay packets to support others and a perception of "laziness" among poorer people.[/url]


Maybe it's just people in general I hate.

#$&! labour. #$&! Blair.


It's not exactly intelligent, and perhaps there's a more sinister propaganda deal afoot, but it's not entirely unreasonable that an increasingly pinched middle class would rather keep it's money than to help those less well off. That is, they don't see rich people footing the bill for social programs, they see themselves paying for it.


the redistribution discussion needs to be turned away from "pay packets" to ownership. It's easier, more flexible (in terms of "now" vs "over time"), less punitive.

who gives a crap about some poncy Jr VP's paycheck?
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Postby pacino » Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:12:32

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Postby kopphanatic » Tue Dec 14, 2010 23:52:59

Seriously what kind of troglodyte could vote against that bill?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Dec 15, 2010 03:00:02

dajafi might be the only person who cares, but a good piece on Schumer vs. Weiner by my boy Kornacki.

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Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:24:21

jerseyhoya wrote:dajafi might be the only person who cares, but a good piece on Schumer vs. Weiner by my boy Kornacki.


whoosh, how depressing

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Postby Rococo4 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 14:57:42

jerseyhoya wrote:Steele running for reelection

Go away


seriously he is awful

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Postby azrider » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:10:10

this lee deal got me thinking...

are the phillies/yankees/red sox not the embodiment of the sins and inequalities of capitalism? shouldn't all the teams throw all their revenue into one giant hat minus operating expenses and divide that equally? isn't it hard to root for a team that literally buys players or makes unfair deals to acquire players because another team can not afford that player? it is like taking advantage of the less fortunate. this truly is exploitation of the weak. as a progressive, i am ashamed of the hypocrisy i display by being a phillies fan.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:12:13

azrider wrote:this lee deal got me thinking...

are the phillies/yankees/red sox not the embodiment of the sins and inequalities of capitalism? shouldn't all the teams throw all their revenue into one giant hat minus operating expenses and divide that equally? isn't it hard to root for a team that literally buys players or makes unfair deals to acquire players because another team can not afford that player? it is like taking advantage of the less fortunate. this truly is exploitation of the weak. as a progressive, i am ashamed of the hypocrisy i display by being a phillies fan.


Like commies? Go root for the fucking NFL.

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Postby azrider » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:18:39

TenuredVulture wrote:
Like commies? Go root for the #$&! NFL.


equality clearly makes the NFL a superior product. won't it be much more fun to watch the eagles when they are not permitted to keep the stars they took chances on and developed because of a hard cap. it will be so much more fun to watch vick knowing he doesn't have desean jackson to throw to.

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Postby pacino » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:49:21

christ
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:49:59


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Postby pacino » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:53:58

well, now i know what i'm doing for the next 2 hours
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:55:48

Look at Manhattan Island with the one with the dots. So interesting to see the neighborhoods by race. Also the huge cut out of Central Park and the lack of residential stuff in parts of Midtown.

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Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:58:15

jerseyhoya wrote:NYT Maps the Census

So cool


many thanks for posting this
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Postby pacino » Wed Dec 15, 2010 17:59:32

a quick look shows great progress in most cities in regards to race/ethnicity and integrating neighborhoods...even from the 2000 census. love it


crazy, didn't realize so much of brooklyn was still like 90%+ black. i guess the only parts i hear about or hear friends talk about are very limited parts of it

also, my friend lives in a pretty non-diverse part of jersey city

they have south jersey as well...camden to gloucester is such a stark difference for cities so close
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Dec 15, 2010 18:07:06

Detroit

Chocolate City

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