Full of Passionate Intensity: POLITICS THREAD

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 22:52:23

CalvinBall wrote:i won the election for constable in my precinct with 6 write in votes. i have no idea what that means now.

Congratulations, Constable. The first thing you need to do is to get a uniform and a weapon.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 22:54:37

Apparently the Dem is up early in NY-23. Would be a huge silver lining for the Dems.

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 22:54:51

swishnicholson wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:i won the election for constable in my precinct with 6 write in votes. i have no idea what that means now.

Congratulations, Constable. The first thing you need to do is to get a uniform and a weapon.

holy crap. what have i done?

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 22:55:23

swishnicholson wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:i won the election for constable in my precinct with 6 write in votes. i have no idea what that means now.

Congratulations, Constable. The first thing you need to do is to get a uniform and a weapon.

Guy really seems excited about getting a uniform. Makes me wonder--could he not get into the police academy?

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 22:56:47

jerseyhoya wrote:Apparently the Dem is up early in NY-23. Would be a huge silver lining for the Dems.

Turnout in NJ might be below 2 million votes.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:04:46

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Apparently the Dem is up early in NY-23. Would be a huge silver lining for the Dems.

Turnout in NJ might be below 2 million votes.

And, figuring 50 million was spent on the election, that's $25 per vote. Why not cut out the middle man and pay the voters directly?

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:06:06

No (which is a vote in favor of marriage equity) is ahead by 4 points in Maine with 18% of the vote in.

by **gpicaro** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:10:14

Politico declaring Christie the winner!

by **traderdave** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:14:49

AP also declaring Christie in NJ. I am stunned and not necessarily happily so.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:26:45

I can't wait to see who RedState blames for us losing NY-23 tonight. I'm not sure who they'll pick, but I foresee irrationality.

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:28:34

swishnicholson wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:Christie, No

I'm voting against Corzine more than anything. I don't see the value in "sending a message" by voting for the mechanical dog from Battlestar Galactica (aka voting for Corzine).

I was sending the message that I most trusted Christopher Daggett with the governorship if NJ. Environmental concerns are perhaps my major issue, and Daggett not only seemed to indicate awareness of these concerns but also brought expertise to the table. He is/was a pragmatic centrist candidate, which is largely where my allegiances lie. We can see who truly ends up voting for Daggett, but the ones I've run across are those disaffected with Corzine, but not willing to trust Christie, who promises to cut taxes without indicating what services will be reduced,leaving open the strong possibility that the ones in danger are those I most support.

The supposed Corzine/Daggett alliance is a nice bit of gamesmanship, but it doesn't really hold up if you dip your toe outside the blogospheres tainted with Christie Kool Aid.

I'm not digging on why you or anyone else would vote for Daggett, do what your conscience tells you. I'm saying why I didn't. As for the blogowhatever, my comment re: a vote for the robot dog is a vote for Corzine is based on the polls that consistently showed that Dagget's numbers seemed to track not against Corzine but for him by diminishing Christie.

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:29:11

Atlantic City and Camden both handily electing new Democratic mayors. Now the real race begins: who will be indicted first?

by **pacino** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:29:28

TenuredVulture wrote:No (which is a vote in favor of marriage equity) is ahead by 4 points in Maine with 18% of the vote in.

this is really all that matters on a national level. this other crap is all local

by **pacino** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:30:47

jerseyhoya wrote:I can't wait to see who RedState blames for us losing NY-23 tonight. I'm not sure who they'll pick, but I foresee irrationality.

hmmm, i wonder

starts with a P, ends with an alin

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:32:21

VoxOrion wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:Christie, No

I'm voting against Corzine more than anything. I don't see the value in "sending a message" by voting for the mechanical dog from Battlestar Galactica (aka voting for Corzine).

I was sending the message that I most trusted Christopher Daggett with the governorship if NJ. Environmental concerns are perhaps my major issue, and Daggett not only seemed to indicate awareness of these concerns but also brought expertise to the table. He is/was a pragmatic centrist candidate, which is largely where my allegiances lie. We can see who truly ends up voting for Daggett, but the ones I've run across are those disaffected with Corzine, but not willing to trust Christie, who promises to cut taxes without indicating what services will be reduced,leaving open the strong possibility that the ones in danger are those I most support.

The supposed Corzine/Daggett alliance is a nice bit of gamesmanship, but it doesn't really hold up if you dip your toe outside the blogospheres tainted with Christie Kool Aid.

I'm not digging on why you or anyone else would vote for Daggett, do what your conscience tells you. I'm saying why I didn't. As for the blogowhatever, my comment re: a vote for the robot dog is a vote for Corzine is based on the polls that consistently showed that Dagget's numbers seemed to track not against Corzine but for him by diminishing Christie.

Watch out for the ecological fallacy--yes, Daggett continuing to run helps Corzine, but it is possible that an individual Daggett voter may be deciding between Corzine and Daggett, or may be deciding between not voting at all and voting for Daggett.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:34:28

Dajafi and his ilk could have kept Bloomberg from winning a 3rd term. But they decided to drink their Pabst and talk about how old Yo La Tengo is better than new TV on the Radio at the corner hipster bar.

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:34:46

TenuredVulture wrote:No (which is a vote in favor of marriage equity) is ahead by 4 points in Maine with 18% of the vote in.

My goodness, you're on the bleeding edge of language control on this one, Google doesn't even know it yet.

by **Swiggers** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:36:41

TenuredVulture wrote:If I'm a Republican, and I care about the long term health of the party, that 18-30 year old number scares the $#@! out of me. Considering new voters are considered most persuadable, the fact that even in given Corzine's incredibly low approval rating you can capture more than 30% of those voters is a bad sign. A very bad sign.

If those kind of numbers persist, you might see a last Republican hurrah in 2010, but that will be it.

But people tend to vote/think more conservatively as they get older, as things like taxes and crime become more important to them. So not everyone in that age bracket who spurred the Republicans this year will do so for the rest of their lives.

It's still not a good sign, though. The party's message has to change.

by **pacino** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:37:55

TenuredVulture wrote:Dajafi and his ilk could have kept Bloomberg from winning a 3rd term. But they decided to drink their Pabst and talk about how old Yo La Tengo is better than new TV on the Radio at the corner hipster bar.

this is really freaking close. LOLZZZZZZZ Bloomberg, you used to be a contender. You used to be somebody. So it looks like all the money in teh world (Bloomers, Corzine) can't help. What's up with that?!

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 23:42:37

TenuredVulture wrote:If I'm a Republican, and I care about the long term health of the party, that 18-30 year old number scares the $#@! out of me. Considering new voters are considered most persuadable, the fact that even in given Corzine's incredibly low approval rating you can capture more than 30% of those voters is a bad sign. A very bad sign.

If those kind of numbers persist, you might see a last Republican hurrah in 2010, but that will be it.

Dude there is no way you can make any broad observations about Republicans by observing the voting behavior of youngsters in New Jersey. The only lesson for the GOP in NJ is: you will win if the other guy sucks hard enough, you will never win any significant anything any other way.

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