Uncle Milty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:if you really think that i feel sorry for you.

Was this for me? If so we might need a breakout thread.

yea, good teachers arent lazy. that is really a terrible stereotype that is not true.

You're right. Good teachers aren't lazy. I commented on the overwhelming proportion of teachers to good teachers.

lazy people exist in every profession. you dont really have a point.

teachers work the regular school hours, a lot coach a sports team after school, then go home and grade/plan. so they work a lot. what are your examples?

I'm not going to wrap my head around this one for a while.

In Ocean+Monmouth Christie beat Corzine 252,210-117,943. Corzine won Hudson+Essex+Camden 254,965-125,583.

Mindboggling.

Eh, a little of Essex out, but the point holds. To cancel out the three big Democratic counties in the state with those two shore counties was just a great feat by the state and those local parties and the Christie campaign.

I'm ecstatic.

Michael Aron on NJN notes Christie is the first person to be elected governor of New Jersey on his first statewide run since Brendan Byrne in 1973.

Also Bob Torricelli is a freaking great TV pundit. A crook and a shitty senator, but a great pundit.

TenuredVulture wrote:Dajafi and his ilk could have kept Bloomberg from winning a 3rd term. But they decided to drink their Pabst and talk about how old Yo La Tengo is better than new TV on the Radio at the corner hipster bar.

This is the first post I've read in this thread tonight.

Truth is that I couldn't be happier with how that race turned out: Bloomberg won, but the "fuck you" message was sent and hopefully received.

For the first hour or so, my wife and I were honestly worried that our screwing around and voting ironically--how's that for obnoxious Brooklyn hipster crap--might have helped get Thompson elected.

BTW, old TV on the Radio--if you count "Return to Cookie Mountain" as old--is the best option of the bunch. YLT has a lot of great songs, but only "I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One" comes close to being a "great album."

Came online primarily to see if civil rights won in Maine, secondarily to enjoy jh's victory lap (glad for jh, sorry for the state--Christie's going to be a disaster). But no news on item one since Paul's post a few pages back other than a vague "it's very close" note on PoliticalWire.com. I'm just enough of a geek about this stuff to really want to know before going to sleep.

http://www.bangordailynews.com/electionresults.html

Not the result you were looking for

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/04/in-ny-23-conservatives-win/

He is so mind numbingly stupid

Yeah, just saw on TPM that the bigots are winning. They say that Portland is out yet, which could be good, but who knows. Bad year for this sort of thing, I guess--the hate crowd is more motivated and organized.

We'll get there, and I'd like to think that eventually some Republicans will even show some bravery and patriotism and get on the right side of history.

At least the psychos lost in upstate NY--Hoffman just conceded. Lucky him: no need to move now, and I'm guessing his current spread is pretty fine.

I honestly can't decide how much the worse than expected results for both Corzine and Bloomberg had to do with a "screw the rich/Wall Street guy" sentiment that pollsters didn't pick up as such. One could even argue that hurt Hoffman, though that seems like a serious stretch to me with so many other factors in play.

dajafi wrote:I honestly can't decide how much the worse than expected results for both Corzine and Bloomberg had to do with a "screw the rich/Wall Street guy" sentiment that pollsters didn't pick up as such. One could even argue that hurt Hoffman, though that seems like a serious stretch to me with so many other factors in play.

but republican judges won in pennsylvania!!!

/karl rove

dajafi wrote:I honestly can't decide how much the worse than expected results for both Corzine and Bloomberg had to do with a "screw the rich/Wall Street guy" sentiment that pollsters didn't pick up as such. One could even argue that hurt Hoffman, though that seems like a serious stretch to me with so many other factors in play.

I don't think that was it for Corzine. It was Daggett ending up with less than 6% of the vote. Those anti-Corzine people who Christie pissed away all summer ended up deciding it was more important to vote for a guy they didn't like as much in order to prevent Corzine's reelection.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/10/grand_ol_pagan.php

This guy won

What a country

TenuredVulture wrote:If I'm a Republican, and I care about the long term health of the party, that 18-30 year old number scares the $#@! out of me. Considering new voters are considered most persuadable, the fact that even in given Corzine's incredibly low approval rating you can capture more than 30% of those voters is a bad sign. A very bad sign.

If those kind of numbers persist, you might see a last Republican hurrah in 2010, but that will be it.

Do you really believe the Republican party will fade away into obscurity? Seriously? Yes, the demographic numbers suggest democrats will have increasingly winnable elections. But don't you think the most likely scenario is that Republicans change their party platform slightly to accommodate changes in the electorate? If you don't think that is likely, I might be willing to wager a single beer on the 2012 elections.

Werthless wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:If I'm a Republican, and I care about the long term health of the party, that 18-30 year old number scares the $#@! out of me. Considering new voters are considered most persuadable, the fact that even in given Corzine's incredibly low approval rating you can capture more than 30% of those voters is a bad sign. A very bad sign.

If those kind of numbers persist, you might see a last Republican hurrah in 2010, but that will be it.

Do you really believe the Republican party will fade away into obscurity? Seriously? Yes, the demographic numbers suggest democrats will have increasingly winnable elections. But don't you think the most likely scenario is that Republicans change their party platform slightly to accommodate changes in the electorate? If you don't think that is likely, I might be willing to wager a single beer on the 2012 elections.

Can't speak for TV, but it would seem the republican challenge is that there doesn't appear to be any 'slightly' in sight

In New Jersey, while Corzine overwhelmingly won among African-Americans, only 14 percent of the vote was black; young people, age 18 to 29, made up 9 percent of the vote and 36 percent of them backed Republican Chris Christie. Meanwhile, 60 percent of independents supported Christie as well.

The numbers were worse for Deeds in Virginia. Ten percent of the electorate was age 18 to 29 and Republican Bob McDonnell captured 54 percent of this voting bloc. Deeds overwhelmingly carried the African-American vote that made up16 percent of people who turned out on Tuesday, while 66 percent of voters who identified themselves as independents backed McDonnell.

Republicans carried 54% of the youth votein VA.

Guys, where can I see the NJ voting results by county? My google isn't working...

Werthless wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:If I'm a Republican, and I care about the long term health of the party, that 18-30 year old number scares the $#@! out of me. Considering new voters are considered most persuadable, the fact that even in given Corzine's incredibly low approval rating you can capture more than 30% of those voters is a bad sign. A very bad sign.

If those kind of numbers persist, you might see a last Republican hurrah in 2010, but that will be it.

Do you really believe the Republican party will fade away into obscurity? Seriously? Yes, the demographic numbers suggest democrats will have increasingly winnable elections. But don't you think the most likely scenario is that Republicans change their party platform slightly to accommodate changes in the electorate? If you don't think that is likely, I might be willing to wager a single beer on the 2012 elections.

Allow me to clarify--first, it's a conditional. The Republicans need to do better among those born between 1980-1990. If they don't, it is difficult to see them winning many national elections. It will be like the 70s-80s were for the Democrats, but without majorities in Congress. Throughout that period, though, conservatives and Republicans were able to set the agenda. Democrats had no choice but to play defense that entire time.

The claim that partisanship is stable is hardly controversial--it's no different than saying a high OBP is good.

MrsVox wrote:Guys, where can I see the NJ voting results by county? My google isn't working...

http://www.politico.com/election/2009/maps/#/NJ

The bottom has county results.