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Postby Woody » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:20:31

WilliamC wrote:It scares me to death that everytime I see this thread most recent post listed is woody.

what have yous villains done to him???????!


dude that's like every thread
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby Woody » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:20:37

bump
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:22:04

jerseyhoya wrote:Conservatives gon get real close to a majority. Huge gains in Ontario.


So, if Obama wins, will we hear conservatives threaten to move to Canada?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:27:01

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Conservatives gon get real close to a majority. Huge gains in Ontario.


So, if Obama wins, will we hear conservatives threaten to move to Canada?


No. We actually love America.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:28:34

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Conservatives gon get real close to a majority. Huge gains in Ontario.


So, if Obama wins, will we hear conservatives threaten to move to Canada?


No. We actually love America.


Even an America over run with secular big government terrorist loving liberals? What if we pass a law requiring all fast food joints to replace their beef with tofu? What then?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:34:14

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Conservatives gon get real close to a majority. Huge gains in Ontario.


So, if Obama wins, will we hear conservatives threaten to move to Canada?


No. We actually love America.


Even an America over run with secular big government terrorist loving liberals? What if we pass a law requiring all fast food joints to replace their beef with tofu? What then?


We'd win in a landslide in the following election. That'd be sweet.

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Postby Mountainphan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 22:49:56

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Postby Mountainphan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:03:50

More ACORN stuff from CNN...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHchjMNZ-Y[/youtube]
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Postby pacino » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:07:24

throwing #$%& on a wall and seeing if it sticks
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Postby Mountainphan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:10:40

pacino wrote:throwing #$%& on a wall and seeing if it sticks


Not necessarily.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:12:43

So the result is a stronger Conservative minority government.

These numbers will shift back and forth some, but as it stands (155 needed for a majority)

Conservatives - 144 (127)
Liberals - 75 (95)
Bloc Québécois - 50 (48)
NDP - 36 (30)
Other - 3 (1)

Might be fun if anyone cares, looking at how the seats compare to national vote share.

Conservatives - 37.1%
Liberals - 27.8%
Bloc Québécois - 8.6%
NDP - 18.65%
Green - 6.5%
Other - 1.3%

So the Bloc, parlaying a 38.4% showing in Quebec into winning 50 or so seats out of the 75 seats from the province. The NDP, which is strong nationwide, has 10% more of the national vote share, but 15 fewer seats. Sort of the George Wallace vs. Ross Perot dynamic there, with regional strength being rewarded over national mediocrity.

I could keep talking, but I think most (all) have stopped reading.
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Postby Mountainphan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:13:27

Here's some solid substance for us all to chew on...

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Presidential answers to the top 14 science questions facing America
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Postby Mountainphan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:14:18

Jersey, were these the expected results in Canada?
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Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:18:15

To be fair I didn't even know anyone lived in Canada. So I am really surprised they have some form of organized government.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:22:01

Mountainphan wrote:Jersey, were these the expected results in Canada?


Apparently.

Harper called the election hoping to win a majority. The other three parties are all to the left of the Conservatives, so it's really hard for him to do anything without a majority. Maybe at the start of the election season (they only get like 5 or 6 weeks after an election is called, they don't drag it out) people thought there was a shot at a Conservative majority. Then there was the major bump in the road with the financial crisis and people thought they might actually lose seats, but with the G7 discussions over the weekend, apparently the Conservatives really benefited from those. The pundits were predicting at the beginning of the evening a minor gain for the Conservatives, and that is what it seems to be.

As a side note, they're discussing things like proportional voting, electoral reform on CBC. This really is some good stuff.

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Postby Mountainphan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:24:33

Thank you - very interesting.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:27:00

I should probably mention that though I did know they were having an election this month, I didn't even know the election was today until today, so everything I've learned about it has been from reading a bunch of articles at work today and watching the CBC for the last two hours. I haven't exactly been following the twists and turns of the campaign for the last month.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 14, 2008 23:36:45

I think they're crazy for having Canadian Election Day one day after Canadian Thanksgiving. Everyone's probably too stuffed with Canadian Turkey, watching Canadian Football, and shopping for Canadian Christmas, to be bothered to Canadian vote.
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Postby Mountainphan » Wed Oct 15, 2008 00:01:19

Actually, the Canadian election was scheduled for tomorrow, but Matt Stairs decided to move it up since the Phillies were off today.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Oct 15, 2008 01:06:49

No wonder McCain didn't want to mention Ayers at the debate.....


McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.

During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.



Now any good Republican can tell you that Saddam was a terrorist, so I'm sure their heads will explode with the cogntive dissonance.
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