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by **traderdave** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:24:41

Those videos are interesting because I was watching some of McCain's stump in PA the other day (I forget exactly where he was) and he was talking about how they were down a little but that the fight was not over and this and that. He seriously looked and sounded like he didn't even believe what he was saying.

I just went through all the polls and calculated the median (rather than average) polling. Using a random seven-percentage point lead as the threshold to win a state, Obama has 21 states (incl. DC) "won" totaling 268 EV, while McCain has 20 states "won" totaling 158 EV. Of the remaining 10 states with median polling under seven-percent (Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Maine, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia), Obama leads in seven of them with North Carolina dead even.

It looks like Obama needs to show up tomorrow night wearing a turbin and holding a copy of the Kuran to lose this election.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:26:13

Camp Holdout wrote:john mccain's bandwagon is getting mighty empty these days...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20081 ... n/45371832

It's important to note that Hitchens is probably better understood as a pro-war liberal. Maybe the last of the old fashioned Wilsonians. Or, a drunker, straighter (?) Andrew Sullivan.

by **Woody** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:26:48

What if McCain dragged bin Laden's corpse out on stage and did an elbow drop on it?

by **steagles** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 13:40:11

Woody wrote:What if McCain dragged bin Laden's corpse out on stage and did an elbow drop on it?

i think it's more likely to be a severed head in a bowling ball carrier.

by **traderdave** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 13:58:58

steagles wrote:
Woody wrote:What if McCain dragged bin Laden's corpse out on stage and did an elbow drop on it?
i think it's more likely to be a severed head in a bowling ball carrier.

It may also be more likely to be Obama's head.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 14:48:18

Election night in Canada. I love election nights.

by **phdave** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 16:32:23

TenuredVulture wrote:Vox will probably call me a liar again for posting this, but I found it interesting.

Chris Buckley, conservative son of William F. Buckley, comes out for Obama.

I thought this passage was curious when I read it:

I am—drum roll, please, cue trumpets—making this announcement in the cyberpages of The Daily Beast (what joy to be writing for a publication so named!) rather than in the pages of National Review, where I write the back-page column. For a reason: My colleague, the superb and very dishy Kathleen Parker, recently wrote in National Review Online a column stating what John Cleese as Basil Fawlty would call “the bleeding obvious”: namely, that Sarah Palin is an embarrassment, and a dangerous one at that. She’s not exactly alone. New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at NR, just called Governor Palin “a cancer on the Republican Party.”

As for Kathleen, she has to date received 12,000 (quite literally) foam-at-the-mouth hate-emails. One correspondent, if that’s quite the right word, suggested that Kathleen’s mother should have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a Dumpster. There’s Socratic dialogue for you. Dear Pup once said to me sighfully after a right-winger who fancied himself a WFB protégé had said something transcendently and provocatively cretinous, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.” Well, the dear man did his best. At any rate, I don’t have the kidney at the moment for 12,000 emails saying how good it is he’s no longer alive to see his Judas of a son endorse for the presidency a covert Muslim who pals around with the Weather Underground. So, you’re reading it here first.

Did he think he wouldn't get any attention/emails because he wasn't writing it in the NR? Like no one would find out about it?

Well, he might as well have written it in the NR. It would have been his final contribution:

Christopher Buckley, the author and son of the late conservative mainstay William F. Buckley, said in a telephone interview that he has resigned from the National Review, the political journal his father founded in 1955.

Mr. Buckley said he had “been effectively fatwahed by the conservative movement” after endorsing Barack Obama in a blog posting on TheDailyBeast.com; since then, he said he has been blanketed with hate mail at the blog and at the National Review, where he has written a column.

As a result, he wrote to Richard Lowry, the editor of the National Review, and its publisher, Jack Fowler, offering to resign, and “this offer was rather briskly accepted,” Mr. Buckley said.

Mr. Buckley said he did not understand the sense of betrayal that some of his conservative colleagues felt, but said that the fury and ugly comments his endorsement generated is “part of
the calcification of modern discourse. It’s so angry.” Paraphrasing Ronald Reagan’s quote about the Democrats, Mr. Buckley added, “I haven’t left the Republican Party. It left me.”

by **BuddyGroom** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 17:00:04

It figures. I always thought his novels were just as tough on the right as the left, and that just isn't tolerated in many precincts of the right. I think Buckley has been going thru the motions as a conservative for some time.

by **BuddyGroom** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 17:01:15

jerseyhoya wrote:Election night in Canada. I love election nights.

Some more than others, I am sure. For example, Nov. 4, 2008 - not so much, I expect.

by **Woody** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 17:02:16

oh snapz

by **phdave** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 17:05:26

BuddyGroom wrote:It figures. I always thought his novels were just as tough on the right as the left, and that just isn't tolerated in many precincts of the right. I think Buckley has been going thru the motions as a conservative for some time.

I think before the 2006 election he said that the Republicans deserved to lose power.

by **Werthless** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:05:13

BuddyGroom wrote:It figures. I always thought his novels were just as tough on the right as the left, and that just isn't tolerated in many precincts of the right. I think Buckley has been going thru the motions as a conservative for some time.

People tend to equate conservatism with a political stance mimicking the Republican party. It is not, and this election (in my mind) is separating the wheat from the shaft.

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:11:34

His books that I'm familiar with are much harder on the left, but never brutal. It's pretty light satire.

by **BuddyGroom** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:14:28

VoxOrion wrote:His books that I'm familiar with are much harder on the left, but never brutal. It's pretty light satire.

I thought "Thank You For Smoking" was pretty much a "pox on all their houses" approach.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:37:31

BuddyGroom wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Election night in Canada. I love election nights.

Some more than others, I am sure. For example, Nov. 4, 2008 - not so much, I expect.

I expect to enjoy election night in America a lot this year as well. I love election nights.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:42:35

C. Buckley did write a speech for McCain.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:44:28

BuddyGroom wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:His books that I'm familiar with are much harder on the left, but never brutal. It's pretty light satire.

I thought "Thank You For Smoking" was pretty much a "pox on all their houses" approach.

I've only seen the movie, which I thought was spectacular, but I wouldn't be surprised if the book were more conservative. It wouldn't be too tough to point out that the Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to corporate lobbyists.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 18:52:33

Werthless wrote:
BuddyGroom wrote:It figures. I always thought his novels were just as tough on the right as the left, and that just isn't tolerated in many precincts of the right. I think Buckley has been going thru the motions as a conservative for some time.

People tend to equate conservatism with a political stance mimicking the Republican party. It is not, and this election (in my mind) is separating the wheat from the shaft.

Well, yes and no. The conservative movement has largely taken over the Republican party, though one could argue that Bush, especially in his second term abandoned some basic conservative principles. However, he was clearly elected on the basis of conservative principles.

Rockefeller Republicanism is dead, almost as dead as small government conservatism.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 19:12:59

CBS/NYT poll (and 538 says it's a liberal poll by about 3 points) shows Obama with a 14 point lead nationally.

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 19:22:22

RealClear still has Obama up almost 8.

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