jerseyhoya wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

dajafi wrote:I'm not proud to admit it... but my interest in that debate going forward as scheduled probably has more to do with whether the Phils get rained out Friday night than anything else.

In terms of dajafi's happiness, which would be bigger--an Obama Presidency, or a Phillies World Series win? Certainly, the latter in the short and probably even intermediate term. Long term, well, since when do we make choices based on rational calculations of long term happiness?

I'm not even going to ask Jerseyhoya, as I know what he'd pick.

It's closer than you would think. I am going to be unemployed by New Year, and my chances of finding a job are improved by having an administration staffed with young Republicans. I'd still probably pick a World Series, but not by all that much.

I'd be very happy if either were to happen, as it's less than 50/50 at this point combined probably.

TenuredVulture wrote:I'd be really surprised if he said "suspend his campaign" and did not add something to that. Like "suspend campaign to attend a meeting with Pres. Bush and Sen. Obama on fiscal crisis" or postpone debate, sure, I'll buy that. But simply suspending his campaign, as in cease all campaign activities including ad buys, door knocking, and so forth--no, he can't possibly mean that.

Are we talking about suspending the election?

America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system. We must pass legislation to address this crisis. If we do not, credit will dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy. People will no longer be able to buy homes and their life savings will be at stake. Businesses will not have enough money to pay their employees. If we do not act, ever corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen.

Last Friday, I laid out my proposal and I have since discussed my priorities and concerns with the bill the Administration has put forward. Senator Obama has expressed his priorities and concerns. This morning, I met with a group of economic advisers to talk about the proposal on the table and the steps that we should take going forward. I have also spoken with members of Congress to hear their perspective.

It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the Administration's proposal. I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.

Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me.

I am calling on the President to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.

We must meet as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans, and we must meet until this crisis is resolved. I am directing my campaign to work with the Obama campaign and the commission on presidential debates to delay Friday night's debate until we have taken action to address this crisis.

I am confident that before the markets open on Monday we can achieve consensus on legislation that will stabilize our financial markets, protect taxpayers and homeowners, and earn the confidence of the American people. All we must do to achieve this is temporarily set politics aside, and I am committed to doing so.

Following September 11th, our national leaders came together at a time of crisis. We must show that kind of patriotism now. Americans across our country lament the fact that partisan divisions in Washington have prevented us from addressing our national challenges. Now is our chance to come together to prove that Washington is once again capable of leading this country.

Johnny Mc wrote:we must meet until this crisis is resolved

Monkeyboy wrote:He's pushing to have this done fast so it's not the main topic on Nov 4th and so he can get a favorable deal for his new neocon buddies.

Plus, he gets to look like the guy who is willing to look beyond partisan politics.

At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details.

jeff2sf wrote:
The idea that everyone is an expert has become very popular during this crisis with lots of lefty liberals who normally are worrying about secret shoppers at their work saying stuff like "Why didn't this idiot Bernanke or Paulson see this coming? It was sooo obvious"

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:He's pushing to have this done fast so it's not the main topic on Nov 4th and so he can get a favorable deal for his new neocon buddies.

Plus, he gets to look like the guy who is willing to look beyond partisan politics.

Do you have the slightest idea of what the word neocon actually means?

Woody wrote:I see you've softened your stance, monk

FTN wrote:monkey, Jeff just wants to ruffle feathers. Let him have his fun and don't take it to heart. I was guilty of that before. Just let it go.

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:He's pushing to have this done fast so it's not the main topic on Nov 4th and so he can get a favorable deal for his new neocon buddies.

Plus, he gets to look like the guy who is willing to look beyond partisan politics.

Do you have the slightest idea of what the word neocon actually means?

Yes, do you? Scheunemann, etc, are part of the McCain campaign, are they not? I wouldn't expect you to see that McCain has left his roots and embraced many of the worst people from the early GWB administration.

Actually, you weren't around at the time, but I was the one who first posted on philliesphans about Bush's connection to the Straussian-influenced neocons. Origin in the new left, Bill Kristol and his dad, Project for a New American Century, endless revolution, etc -- so yes, I know what they are. It's not exactly a secret, even though that's their preferred method of governance: secrecy.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:He's pushing to have this done fast so it's not the main topic on Nov 4th and so he can get a favorable deal for his new neocon buddies.

Plus, he gets to look like the guy who is willing to look beyond partisan politics.

Do you have the slightest idea of what the word neocon actually means?

Yes, do you? Scheunemann, etc, are part of the McCain campaign, are they not? I wouldn't expect you to see that McCain has left his roots and embraced many of the worst people from the early GWB administration.

Actually, you weren't around at the time, but I was the one who first posted on philliesphans about Bush's connection to the Straussian-influenced neocons. Origin in the new left, Bill Kristol and his dad, Project for a New American Century, endless revolution, etc -- so yes, I know what they are. It's not exactly a secret, even though that's their preferred method of governance: secrecy.

Except generally the rich guys on Wall Street aren't generally thought of as neocons, and that's who would benefit from this "favorable deal." Are they not who you meant?

I was thinking by neocon you either meant "evil" or "Jewish," which are two of the left's favorite usages of the word, which has basically lost all of its meaning in the last five years.

jerseyhoya wrote:I was thinking by neocon you either meant "evil" or "Jewish," which are two of the left's favorite usages of the word, which has basically lost all of its meaning in the last five years.