Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Feb 04, 2016 14:50:04

heyeaglefn wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:flipped it on but missed most of it. said the raiders, seahawks and cowboys could be landing spots with a reworked deal.

Whats the incentive for Murrary to rework his deal? Wouldn't getting released and signing a new deal be the best case for him?


Guess that the eagles will just keep him then and if he wants to get traded he'd need to rework his deal.

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby joe table » Thu Feb 04, 2016 14:57:50

The Dude wrote:i think starting with a guy you think you know in Bradford, and using money on more inexpensive positions like Guard is the way to go, rather than hoping you can spend Brat's money on positions and then also hoping you get your QB


Regardless of opportunity cost, I don't want to sign bradford to a multi year deal at the going rate. Its a negative NPV investment taken alone. He's an average QB and will get hurt more

Actually average may even be charitable bc the average qb rating in 2016 was 92.3, per some recent barnwell espn article. The baseline rate for qb stats in the current league has become very high (like the live ball era of football)

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Grotewold » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:04:38

Our offense was a trash fire though

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Soren » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:13:59

Grotewold wrote:Our offense was a trash fire though


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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby joe table » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:17:30

Grotewold wrote:Our offense was a trash fire though


Because Bradford could only learn 7 plays by the end of the season

He sucks

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:19:09

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Grotewold wrote:Our offense was a trash fire though


Because Bradford could only learn 7 plays by the end of the season

He sucks


And the only one he mastered was the one where the receivers dropped the ball.
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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Grotewold » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:20:59

joe table wrote:Because Bradford could only learn 7 plays by the end of the season


Not sure I buy that. Chip's playbook isn't exactly voluminous to begin with, and Brat is by all accounts a bright guy. And literally everything else was a mess, including the backup who was decent last year and atrocious this year.

I get the reluctance to go big on him, though. We're still working with insufficient data.

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby The Dude » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:24:31

I just dont' see any other options, certainly not one where they draft in the first round. Save that pick for a need, and only waste some money on Brat and see what happens. Rather they miss with money than a first rounder
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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby joe table » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:27:00

heard GRUDEN say it breh, u calling him a liar?

i appreciate the fact that you want him/the team do do well, but the career sample size isn't insignificant. Hes a low ypa QB with injury issues who has played on losing teams his whole career

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby joe table » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:29:30

The Dude wrote:I just dont' see any other options, certainly not one where they draft in the first round. Save that pick for a need, and only waste some money on Brat and see what happens. Rather they miss with money than a first rounder


Signing bradford for multi years would require an amount of money that would significantly alter thr cap in the near future and tie us to him for at least 2 more years

I dont flush my meager savings down the toilet even though therea nowhere else to profitably invest it. Keep it in the mattress and sign a one year stopgap (of which Kaep seems the most intriguing)

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Grotewold » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:32:46

joe table wrote:i appreciate the fact that you want him/the team do do well, but the career sample size isn't insignificant.


It's more than that -- I bailed on McNabb two years before the Eagles did and Foles early-2014.

I just see Brat as an extremely high pedigree guy who played for two shitty offenses (all things considered) and came on really strongly in the second half of his last two seasons. But yeah some middling stats and awful injuries mixed in. Still pretty hard to measure, but I think he's by far the best option for 2016 if you're trying to win.

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Soren » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:35:58

Grotewold wrote:
joe table wrote:i appreciate the fact that you want him/the team do do well, but the career sample size isn't insignificant.


It's more than that -- I bailed on McNabb two years before the Eagles did and Foles early-2014.

I just see Brat as an extremely high pedigree guy who played for two shitty offenses (all things considered) and came on really strongly in the second half of his last two seasons. But yeah some middling stats and awful injuries mixed in. Still pretty hard to measure, but I think he's by far the best option for 2016 if you're trying to win.


Which circles us back to the nature of the proposed Pederson Reid-like "5 year plan" and the possible "protect howie" cabal. I don't think they resign Lane, Curry, Ertz and hopefully Cox if they don't want to win soon.
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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby joe table » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:36:25

We aint winning in 2016 so dont sign him for 45+ mil guaranteed on the books over the next 4 seasons (that is absolutely the starting point for talks btw...the alex smith K)

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Grotewold » Thu Feb 04, 2016 15:42:14

Soren wrote:I don't think they resign Lane, Curry, Ertz and hopefully Cox if they don't want to win soon.


Curry, in particular. I don't see giving a 28-year-old pass rushing specialist that much money in a rebuild. Celek to a lesser extent, although I guess he's a relatively cheap good soldier

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby BigEd76 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 16:49:40

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DeMarco told ESPN today he wants to be back and doesn't want last year to be what people remember about his time as an Eagle

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Feb 04, 2016 17:16:58

Woody wrote:I don't think they're going to sign Bradford. They're going to try and recreate the McNabb era and draft a QB. This buys Pederson time that he may not get if they spend big money on Bradford. Everyone wants their guy, and while Pederson may genuinely think highly of Bradford I don't think he's coming back, save for some sort of team-friendly deal scenario

Remember Andy Reid's 5 year plan? I'm assuming some version of that is Doug's blueprint, only with slightly better talent to start with



There is a limit on what they'll spend but there are huge differences. Your analogy doesn't hold. This team is much better than 1998 team. It has a lot of money invested in guys who are in their primes now in their mid-late 20's. They can't wait 5 years as half this roster will be old or hurt or in decline. As well, the fans won't wait patiently. But most important of all - is there a QB they are in love with that they can actually 99% secure in this draft or next one? What happens if the defense turns around, Murray has a huge year, Agholor plays like Maclin - but the QB is Sanchize or an equivalent and plays just bad enough to have us either lose the division or a first round playoff WC round? And Bradford throws for 4K plus and 28TDs in Houston and everyone wonders, "gee, could this have been our year if we just franchised or signed Bradford??"

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Feb 04, 2016 17:18:40

The Dude wrote:i think starting with a guy you think you know in Bradford, and using money on more inexpensive positions like Guard is the way to go, rather than hoping you can spend Brat's money on positions and then also hoping you get your QB



Dude and I agree. Wow.

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Feb 04, 2016 17:25:58

joe table wrote:
The Dude wrote:I just dont' see any other options, certainly not one where they draft in the first round. Save that pick for a need, and only waste some money on Brat and see what happens. Rather they miss with money than a first rounder


Signing bradford for multi years would require an amount of money that would significantly alter thr cap in the near future and tie us to him for at least 2 more years

I dont flush my meager savings down the toilet even though therea nowhere else to profitably invest it. Keep it in the mattress and sign a one year stopgap (of which Kaep seems the most intriguing)


I hate continuing to be in the awkward position of defending Bradford --

But if what you assert is the case and will come to pass - then franchise him. Give him a year to show he can stay healthy again and preform in the new system with the new regime? WIn big games. Get to playoffs. IF he's average or worse - then you cut bait with him and only pay crazy money 1 time. If he becomes DPeds Alex Smith and we're a viable team - then we can say "good work Sam, you proved it finally - and you can have your deal now" The bIrds hold the cards really.

I think it's very risky to give up a legit QB with no for-sure replacement and lacking the draft position. Donovan was #2 overall. If we had #2 overall, we could get Goff and see what's what. But we don't and can't. And Browns are never trading out. Just like Mariota wasn't an option.

They guy had 3700 yards and 65% completion with the worst drops team in the NFL. In very chaotic season that is hard to measure. Nick Foles sucks. Sam Bradford is a legit QB in the NFL. He doesn't bring you the special fx of Cam or the gun of Rogers, or the precision and experience of Tom or the strength of Big Ben -- but he's viable if a good D, solid running game, mistake free club.

I'd rather catch lightning than meander with the Chase Daniels -- Rod Peete, Detmer Bros. and others taught me what happens to a franchise that doesn't have a legit QB. They are an 8-10 win team and can fall to worse. Wentz may or may not be a guy. And we may or may not get him. But we'll have to decide on Bradford before the draft - so ---

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Feb 04, 2016 17:28:56

Murray f'd up. He wanted all the cash and ended up going to a rival team in a bad situaiton for him for the $$. Now he wishes he was back with his boyz. Too bad. We paid you and lost our star/stud RB and you are now a key piece of stabilizing the future. You didn't get hurt last year. Your by all rumors an honorable guy. Don't be talking to the press. Shut up. Stay in shape. Let the front office and new HC do their thing - and be ready to get us 1400 yards in Sept. - and help get a ring.

Oh - Romo is fading soon - and Dal isn't going to a SB in your lifetime --

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Re: Take your PEDs - Eagles - off-seasoning

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Feb 04, 2016 21:15:17

In an attempt to prove something about something, Sports Illustrated showed pictures of 32 starting quarterbacks to a panel prior to the 2014 season, and asked them to rate the qbs on attractiveness and perceived leadership.

Sam Bradford came in #32 in attractiveness (Alex Smith was tops), 27th in "perceived leadership."
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