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Postby Gimpy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:40:03

The Dude wrote:Even howie's masturbation habits are despicable. the man is a monster


I've heard he's a big fan of the strokey chokey.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby PSUEagle » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:00:57

ReadingPhilly wrote:fwiw, psueagle has a poor opinion of [Roseman] from working in the industry. maybe he could elaborate, but at least he's not part of the no good, terrible media.


This deserves a little background. WARNING: PTK length coming

I coached for four years at the small college level (DIII/DII) in PA. Once you join that fraternity you'd be amazed at what you learn about other coaches due to how small it is.

Anyway, there's probably several people that have better Eagles "connections" than I do (I don't have any personally). My low opinion of Howie is based on a combination of what I've heard directly and reading between the lines on Twitter, media, etc.

The main thing I heard directly about Roseman is that he forced out McDermott, mostly because he convinced Lurie that the latter wasn't correctly utilizing guys like Allen, Graham, etc when those names still had a lot of promise attached to them. He also believed that the Eagles needed a scheme change to generate a better pass rush from the Front 4, hence the Washburn hiring.

The problem for me is that Howie basically played fantasy football: he saw that Washburn's Tennessee DL's always put up great sack totals and thought it was a no brainer. Of course, it's not that simple (and never is). In order for his linemen to have the freedom to attack on every snap you have to make concessions elsewhere. Most defensive coaches don't want to do that on an every down basis because you're exposing your secondary so much, hence the reason that Reid couldn't find a single qualified DC candidate that wanted the job and settled on Castillo.

The other piece is the stuff that's said and not said about Roseman through the media. It's telling that so many ex-Eagle personnel guys either openly knock Howie or refuse to comment. You can say they sucked at their job or whatever, but I rarely see this level of bitterness. What's more, I don't think I've ever read a single thing on or off the record praising Howie in any capacity other than his ability to negotiate contracts: that speaks volumes IMO when you compare it to the glowing quotes you got from key Packers employees/players back when Reid was hired, Alabama with Marynowitz, etc.

I call Roseman a Weasel because that's basically what he's been in this organization: he's in Lurie's ear constantly and is an expert political player who's run off some very talented people (CH!P being the biggest). I'm an atheist: I don't give a shit about him being Jewish. It was telling that he didn't leave the organization after he got his balls cut off last offseason: most people with any sense of pride would have walked. Instead he plotted his way to rise back into power. Some of it was easy (Kelly was clearly over his head when it came to understanding NFL roster construction), but that doesn't mean he should have gotten the big chair back.

Having worked in the industry I believe that football isn't anything like baseball: it's not a sport where you can hire a ~ 30 something Harvard grad who's never played and have him do great running the personnel side of things. There's simply so many variables when it comes to how and why players do well that you'll never grasp if you haven't played/coached. To that point, I'll circle back to Washburn: the casual fan was ecstatic when he was hired because of the numbers his DL registered, while those in the coaching community (I coached with a lot of Eagles fans) were skeptical that Castillo would be able to make it work.

Howie may well be a really good evaluator of talent, but in life perception is reality: if his presence is the reason the Eagles can't get the best coaches/personnel people to work for them than he needs to go. I certainly don't blame him for Jarrett and Watkins (those were Reid picks IMO) and there's no question that 2013-2014 were heavily influenced by CH!P (coaches can and should influence the types of players they want since they're the ones determining scheme), but the reality is that if the best the Eagles can do is Reid's OC and a bunch of ex-Eagles/Rams coaches (Childress, etc) than Roseman is a net negative who is hurting this franchise.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Gimpy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:05:41

Plus he's a fan of the blue-faced blast off and that's not the kind of thing you want around your franchise.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Grotewold » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:10:32

You're scaring me a little, Gimp

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Gimpy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:15:34

I'm not scaring you as much as the two-neck squeeze should. That kind of stuff is dangerous.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:45:59

Action News just broke in....DP is at the airport

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:46:43

didn't realize clark made the jump.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:50:49

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:51:32

Maybe he just realized that he left a toothbrush at the novacare complex from his days with the Eagles and wanted to retrieve it?
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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby BIGPHILLY » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:13:47

Pederson almost missed the flight due to huddling with his wife and kids for an extra 15 minutes before leaving for airport.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Soren » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:56:27

THAT IS A FUNNY JOKE ABOUT TIME MANAGEMENT ISSUES, A HALLMARK OF ANDY REID'S TENURE WHICH WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE A TRADE MARK PEDERISM
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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Gimpy » Mon Jan 18, 2016 13:00:34

I'll be content as long as Howie doesn't influence Pederson to keep one hand on his Adam's apple while his other hand is on his Adam's banana.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Jimbo » Mon Jan 18, 2016 14:13:55

Press conference will be tomorrow at 2PM.

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 17:40:07

PR says it'll be Pederson and Lurie, no Roseman. Weasel gon' hide from the media again

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby pacino » Mon Jan 18, 2016 17:48:09

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Doll Is Mine » Mon Jan 18, 2016 17:52:57

BigEd76 wrote:PR says it'll be Pederson and Lurie, no Roseman. Weasel gon' hide from the media again


Oh geez...what is this obsession with hating on Roseman?

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Grotewold » Mon Jan 18, 2016 17:54:36

BigEd76 wrote:PR says it'll be Pederson and Lurie, no Roseman. Weasel gon' hide from the media again


Saw his own shadow, two more seasons of the 3-4

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 18:04:51

Doll Is Mine wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:PR says it'll be Pederson and Lurie, no Roseman. Weasel gon' hide from the media again


Oh geez...what is this obsession with hating on Roseman?


He's an untouchable tattletale but never defends himself

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby The Dude » Mon Jan 18, 2016 18:26:34

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Re: we're getting DPed!!(formerly the Eagles Hire Doug Peder

Postby Bill McNeal » Mon Jan 18, 2016 18:56:44

I dunno, I don't think it's that outrageous to want the GM, who hasn't spoken publicly since December 2014 to be at the PC for the coach he had a hand in hiring
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