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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby traderdave » Fri May 30, 2014 15:37:05

Fortunately I was not appealing to Bill Cosby's authority to prove what I think. I was simply pointing out that Bill Cosby said basically the same thing 5 or 6 years ago and he was hailed as a hero in his community for saying what he (and many others) thought needed to be said.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Fri May 30, 2014 15:51:51

he wasn't universally hailed at all
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby dajafi » Fri May 30, 2014 16:27:28

Yeah, Cosby mostly was hailed by people who deeply believe that the system is now biased in favor of nonwhites.

I thought TNC's piece was great. It didn't convince me to support reparations, nor do I think the Nutter/Cosby point is groundless. But it served as a helpful reminder to me of just how much historical justification is behind the arguments of people I'm sometimes way too prone to dismiss as purveyors of racial grievance, eg some opponents of education reform. Even if they're paranoid, they've earned the right to be so.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby dajafi » Fri May 30, 2014 18:03:07

Linda Greenhouse on the ideological focus of the Roberts Court:

[T]o argue that the Roberts court is hurtling down the wrong path substantively is to make a judgment call that invites pushback and debate. I understand that. This is an opinion column, and here is my opinion: the court’s majority is driving it into dangerous territory. The problem is not only that the court is too often divided but that it’s too often simply wrong: wrong in the battles it picks, wrong in setting an agenda that mimics a Republican Party platform, wrong in refusing to give the political system breathing room to make fundamental choices of self-governance.

I don’t relish connecting these dots; I have sometimes felt like the last person standing who still insisted, even after living through Bush v. Gore, that law and not politics is what drives the Supreme Court. In the newsroom of The Times, I lobbied periodically against the routine journalistic practice of identifying judges by the president who appointed them.

But I’m finding it impossible to avoid the conclusion that the Republican-appointed majority is committed to harnessing the Supreme Court to an ideological agenda. The evidence is everywhere: from the way the court invited and then accepted a fundamental challenge to public employee labor unions in Harris v. Quinn, a case argued in January and due for decision any day; to its brick-by-brick deregulation of campaign finance; to its obsession with race and with drawing the final curtain on the civil rights revolution.

I wrote “ideological” rather than “partisan” agenda because there’s something deeper going on than mere partisanship. Congress, after all, reauthorized the Voting Rights Act in 2006 by overwhelming bipartisan majorities in both houses, in a bill signed into law by President George W. Bush. The Bush administration urged the court to uphold the law in one of the last briefs filed before the president left office. It was a small cadre of right-wing activists that pressed the opposing view on the court. Success took a while: The court lost its nerve on that initial round in 2009, but conspicuously kept the door open for a renewed challenge. The result was last term’s Shelby County v. Holder, the 5-to-4 decision that cut the heart out of the Voting Rights Act – which had been the plan all along.


It's a pretty compelling piece. I'd add that Roberts having strayed so far from his promise of impartial umpiring probably means that the next set of SCOTUS appointments is going to be even uglier and more contentious than the last handful. That tends to happen when you insist on redefining the strike zone.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 30, 2014 18:50:01

Her thinking that law and not politics drove the court at any point in the recent past, but that that has somehow changed strikes me as really dumb. The change in the past four years is that two liberal Republican justices (Stevens and Souter) retired, replaced by liberal Democratic justices. At this point there is a more direct link between ideology and partisanship on the court, but the central importance of ideology isn't new. Democrats have been good for a while at identifying and nominating and confirming judges who aren't going to become reliable conservative votes. It took Republicans/conservatives a little while to catch up to the importance and build their own institutions like the Federalist Society that could serve as a way to identify like minded lawyers out of the generally liberal leaning top law schools. The next time a president has a chance to replace an opposite party justice, it'll be a complete shitshow, but that's been a certainty since the Thomas hearings (which, as the last time a major ideological and partisan swap was possible, were themselves a complete shitshow). I think laying that at the feet of Roberts or his court misses the mark or requires a huge amount partisan rationalization.

Greenhouse writes that the court has been "wrong in refusing to give the political system breathing room to make fundamental choices of self-governance." That's exactly what Roe, and many other liberal rulings, have also refused to do.

For conservatives, then, the critique that Greenhouse presents as a revelation is old hat. We've said for a long time that the court decides policy questions it has no business settling, that it therefore has an outsized role in American life, and that its self-aggrandizement can distort our politics.

It would be nice if Greenhouse were next to acknowledge that conservatives have had a point about excessive judicial power all these years. But these are dangers that people can, perhaps, see only when they lose in court.

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For a long time the court had a majority Greenhouse agreed with or at least could tolerate. Their decisions of course were made with the interest of law in mind (since they generally conformed to Greenhouse's view of what was right). With Alito replacing O'Connor the court has a majority she disagrees with more consistently, so they're political and dangerous and this is some terrible new phenomenon that needs to be stopped.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby dajafi » Fri May 30, 2014 20:56:29

I think her point is more about the Roberts faction actively seeking cases on which to create new law that aligns not only to right-wing views, but priorities (and theirs alone--I thought the point that the Bush administration, which was partisan enough to fuck with firing US Attorneys, went out of its way to back the Civil Rights Act, was pretty telling).

Maybe the Warren Court sought out all their landmark decisions. (I doubt the Burger Court did with Roe.) But I'm not sure the default "you guys do it too" argument plays here.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Fri May 30, 2014 21:04:42

My good friend Phil Carter, Director of Veteran Affairs at CNAS, with his suggestions on how to fix the VA.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Barry Jive » Fri May 30, 2014 21:52:47

The saggy pants thing is a dogwhistle racism talking point, not some generational thing. Clubs everywhere (even in black liberal cities) have black-focused dress codes and the saggy pants image is part of that stereotype. People can dress however the fuck they want to dress. To call out some scared old fart honky shit on it is horrible. Maybe Nutter is still on his hardass tough talk trip but he should know better. But he's a Prep grad so who knows.

There are also bigger problems with his dads and kids thing but I imagine he wasn't considering the political can of worms his big talk would include when he was doing his WWE promo up there
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Sat May 31, 2014 01:02:59

dajafi wrote:I think her point is more about the Roberts faction actively seeking cases on which to create new law that aligns not only to right-wing views, but priorities (and theirs alone--...


It's arguable that Roberts' hyperactive too-clever-by-half ACA decision has done harm to, or done in, otherwise Medicaid-eligible people in those benighted states that have thumbed their nose at the expansion.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Sat May 31, 2014 07:31:02

Luzinski's Gut wrote:My good friend Phil Carter, Director of Veteran Affairs at CNAS, with his suggestions on how to fix the VA.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... he_va.html



Thanks for this General. You've surrounded yourself with many high-acuity people (present BSG tribe & especially yours truly obviously excepted).

Here's hoping Phil's views get prominent attention from whomsoever's drawing up the reform playbook & filling out the 1st team roster.

I do have a quibble about a couple of sentences in his piece (I know, surprise):

More broadly, the growing VA scandal cast doubt on the ability of the government to deliver health care, a major Obama administration priority. If the White House could not deliver on this promise to veterans, a key constituency for whom the president and vice president have frequently described health care as part of a “sacred trust,” then how could the administration be trusted to provide care for all Americans?


I'm not sure many are registering the particular doubt Phil feels the VA scandal has cast. His second sentence seems to allude to ACA, and ACA is about health care access, and more narrowly, systematizing access via twiddling financial levers and creating incentives for care providers to integrate processes (and/or channel people to particular clinicians & facilities), not "delivering health care".

I know many, including too many in Team Obama's administration, are confused about this, but ACA is not about delivering care, certainly not at all in the same way that the VA is charged with delivering care. I may have missed this connection being drawn by others, but I can't say I've seen or heard it in the remarks of others commenting on the VA situation.

It seems to me that making a case that the VA mess indicts the administration's executive competence risks - mainly for the politicians most likely to pursue the issue - having to probe/revisit a) previous administrations' complicity in the benign neglect of the VA b) prior administrations' role in generating the veterans who are now experiencing so many of the VA's problems.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat May 31, 2014 16:31:47

dajafi wrote:I think her point is more about the Roberts faction actively seeking cases on which to create new law that aligns not only to right-wing views, but priorities (and theirs alone--I thought the point that the Bush administration, which was partisan enough to fuck with firing US Attorneys, went out of its way to back the Civil Rights Act, was pretty telling).

Maybe the Warren Court sought out all their landmark decisions. (I doubt the Burger Court did with Roe.) But I'm not sure the default "you guys do it too" argument plays here.

The court has long signaled to people what kind of cases it wants to hear and sought out cases that would make good vehicles for overturning or strengthening areas of law that a majority of the court believes needs addressing. Interest groups and activists have always heeded these hints and hunted for cases that can be brought up the chain, especially if they didn't think they were going to succeed going the legislative route. People who oppose campaign finance restrictions and strict gun control and gay marriage bans have had success with the current court that they might not otherwise have had through other democratic channels. More of these are examples of things that could be seen as Republican priorities, as the court has a 5-4 conservative majority on most issues. Some are not. The reason she acts like this is new and dangerous is that the court's priorities no longer line up with Greenhouse's priorities.

She writes approvingly of Kennedy's decision to have the intellectual deficit 'assessed meaningfully rather than mechanically' in the death penalty decision...a case which overturns state law, limiting self governance. In a write up on the DOMA decision from last year, she noted Kennedy has a 'concern for human dignity' that separates him from the other conservatives on the court. DOMA was passed by overwhelming bipartisan majorities in both houses, in a bill signed into law by President William J. Clinton. She doesn't have a problem with these battles being picked or the rulings that might mimic the Democratic platform. She doesn't have a problem with the court taking up controversial issues and taking away the breathing space necessary to make the fundamental choices of self government in principle. Her problem is when the court does these things on an issue where she disagrees with the court's ruling. It's not a compelling argument. It's just another spin on the old adage that the definition of an activist ruling is one you disagree with.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby dajafi » Sat May 31, 2014 23:21:16

jerseyhoya wrote:In a write up on the DOMA decision from last year, she noted Kennedy has a 'concern for human dignity' that separates him from the other conservatives on the court. DOMA was passed by overwhelming bipartisan majorities in both houses, in a bill signed into law by President William J. Clinton. She doesn't have a problem with these battles being picked or the rulings that might mimic the Democratic platform. She doesn't have a problem with the court taking up controversial issues and taking away the breathing space necessary to make the fundamental choices of self government in principle. Her problem is when the court does these things on an issue where she disagrees with the court's ruling. It's not a compelling argument. It's just another spin on the old adage that the definition of an activist ruling is one you disagree with.


The other old adage about the Court is that its decisions follow the election returns. This is usually said somewhat cynically, but I think most would agree that this is necessary and appropriate for sustaining the Court's legitimacy. In that sense, the DOMA decision (and admittedly, at least sort of, the Obamacare decision) was appropriate as well as timely--those issues were litigated in national elections. The Voting Rights and campaign finance decisions were not--they were both counter-majoritarian and non-salient... though they're likely to influence the course of future elections.

My sense of Roberts is that he's a politician above all else. He'll go as far as he thinks he can in advancing his agenda while preserving some fig leaf of credibility for the Supreme Court as a non-, or not primarily, political entity. Someone, I wish I could remember who, asserted that his Obamacare decision made sense as an action to provide space for him to push a far-right agenda on other matters. That struck me as far-fetched at the time. Now, less so. And to go back to his infamous "umpire" line, it feels like he picks and chooses when to use the strike zone of politics as conducted through democratic channels, and when to just impose his own preferences.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby dajafi » Sun Jun 01, 2014 01:08:10

Pretty interesting situation here in New York with Andrew Cuomo successfully bargaining for the endorsement of the Working Families Party, a collection of left-wing activists and unions that's powerful here because of our fusion rules. (There's a Conservative Party similarly situated on the right, although with Republicans increasingly struggling to win statewide races their star seems to be dimming as the WFP's gets brighter.)

Cuomo's issues playbook is basically Bill Clinton's updated for the 21st century: he's been a strong progressive on marriage equality and anti-gun violence, but even more reluctant than the Clintons were to embrace any redistributive policies. The WFP was pretty much ready to run a protest candidate, which almost certainly wouldn't have cost Cuomo the election but could have dropped his likely margin from 25-30 points to something like 8-12. For a guy who's probably running for president if Hillary sits out, or in 2020 if the Democrats lose, that was not acceptable.

(There was some risk for the WFP here, too. When a third party gets <50,000 votes in a statewide election, they lose their ballot line for the next one. This, along with a raft of corruption scandals, was what killed the old Liberal Party in NYS. Their last gubernatorial candidate? Andrew Cuomo, in 2002. He'd already lost the Democratic primary to Carl McCall, who got creamed by Pataki in November. If they'd nominated someone other than Cuomo, he would have tried to make that person toxic. I doubt they wouldn't have been able to scrounge up 50,000 votes in Manhattan and Brooklyn, but who knows. Cuomo also would have tried to buy or scare off the unions and split the WFP that way.)

Some of the issues rumored to be under negotiation were local control of the minimum wage (something he shot down WFP hero de Blasio on earlier this year), decriminalization of weed, campaign finance reform (he convened a commission to look at this and root out corruption, then disbanded it when it evidently was about to embarrass some of his friends), and his full-throated support for the Democrats to win back the state Senate. (They currently have a numerical majority, but five splinter "Independent Democrats" caucus with the Rs and share control, thus thwarting the D agenda. Cuomo was clearly fine with this, as it saved him from having either to squander centrist cred by signing partisan Dem legislation or courting full-out revolt on the left by quashing it.)

I'm actually not a fan of anyone involved here. Cuomo's a bullying, dishonest goon (albeit a pretty effective governor--he's often compared to LBJ); the WFP are that irritating mixture of self-serving (the labor faction) and self-righteous (the activists), and the mainstream state Democrats have proven themselves so corrupt, stupid and generally repellent that I was mostly fine seeing the Republicans keep control in the Senate. But this does sort of strike as a good systemic outcome, and probably the way fusion politics is supposed to work--putting pressure on the major parties and forcing salient issues onto the agenda.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby traderdave » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:58:09

Anybody have any thoughts on this Bergdahl situation? If he truly deserted, it is appalling that we would free five terrorists to gain his release. Apparently, America DOES negotiate with terrorists.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergda ... r-or-hero/
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Mon Jun 02, 2014 19:53:19

Scott Brown's currently making the rounds in New Hampshire on what has been billed as his "anti-Obamacare" tour.

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, 4 health insurers announce their plans for participating on New Hampshire's exchange for 2015 elections, after sitting out 2014.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 03, 2014 08:08:43

important work being done in Harrisburg:
Legislation that would allow schools to display the national motto "In God We Trust" and the Bill of Rights passed the state House on Monday by a 172-24 vote.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Rick Saccone, R-Allegheny, doesn't carry any mandate for schools. But Saccone said it informs schools that they would have the state's permission to post these patriotic displays.

In proposing the legislation, Saccone pointed out Congress 14 years ago encouraged the national motto that appears on U.S. currency be displayed in public buildings. He said posting it in schools could help familiarize student with it and its meaning.

The bill now goes to the state Senate for consideration.

During a brief debate prior to the House's passage of the bill, Rep. Michael O'Brien, D-Philadelphia, who last month sponsored the amendment to add the provision for schools to post the Bill of Rights as well, called the bill "nothing but an exercise in silliness."

Rep. Mike Sturla, D-Lancaster, offered an anecdote about his first-grade teacher referring to him as a pagan because he was a Catholic who prayed to statues.

"That's the concern with mixing religion in the schoolhouse," Sturla said. "I offer that cautionary story. "

Despite the optional nature of the legislation, the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania has warned schools could be opening themselves up to a lawsuit by posting the religious-based motto in a school where students are a captive audience.


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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 03, 2014 09:46:13

Maddow noticed last night that interest in VA scandal has dropped immensely since the head resigned. The problem is not fixed...hope we don't fall into status quo. Bernie Sanders is going to reintroduce his filibustered bill from February which would expand care facilities and money, protection for whistleblowers, expand ability to fire bad workers, etc
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:25:22

wait you just got married right
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Bucky » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:26:19

that's right, he'll be a republican before you know it

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:28:19

whatd i miss
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