Ryan Howard 5-Year Extension 5/$125MM + $10MM buyout THREAD

by **The Savior** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:23:51

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Savior wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
The Savior wrote:you pussies cry when they don't resign people and cry when they do

$#@! off

glad to have howard forever. don't give a $#@! how bad he's gonna be in 4 years. love the dude.

With all due respect, that's really stupid. BUt I think you know that.

with all due respect, it's a great signing. it sure is fun to brainstorm ideas of ways to let howard go or trade him for player X and Y, then sign player Z, and bam...we're still contending.

sorry, but this team was miserable for way too long and spent so much time letting their stars piss-and-moan their way out of town. they're spending now like never before. we're approaching red sox-levels of spending and marketing here.

it's one big cryfest. be happy that a dude wanted to stay here and finish out his career. and it's a dude who apparently a great teammate and darn good player.

but whatever. overanalyze the finances of the deal because i'm sure you all know what the economics of the game will be in 7 years anyway. well, you probably know more than the phillies at least.

No what's really stupid is you saying you don't care how bad he's going to be in four years. In four years we're going to be on the hook for $60-73 million dollars for his 35, 36, and 37 year old seasons.

I hope he can remain productive and that this deal doesn't become an albatross, but it's not a "great" deal. At best we're paying a guy fair market value. It's not like he's giving us some awesome discount to stay. I don't think we have to act like he's doing us some big favor for only making $164-$177 million dollars guaranteed to play baseball for our team for the next seven years.

yeah, that part i said is probably off. what i really meant to say was "ryan fucking howard is never going to be bad and therefore stop worrying".

by **drsmooth** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:24:12

jeff2sf wrote:

I wrote:You left Thome's contract info off of there

inflation, smoothie. Inflation.

I'm pretty sure Jim thome did not produce those #s in 1947

by **joe table** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:24:27

Now that I got the objections about the method out of the way, here is the upside as it pertains to the guys under contract from the 2012 team:

Halladay
Hamels (if tendered)
Happ
Blanton

Howard
Utley
Polanco
Chooch

Francisco
Victorino

Help on the way: Brown, Mathieson, Schwimer, Aumont, Gillies

Total est cost: 105mm

At the end of last season, 4 of those guys were not under control for 2012: Roy, Cupcakes, Shane, Ryan

It does look like the "window" for 2012 will still be wide open

by **Wizlah** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:24:50

This is proper zito-esque levels of dumb contract right now, isn't it? Meet our new GM. Just the same as every other dumb fuck GM.

Fuck.

Really quite angry.

by **Barry Jive** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:24:58

Don't hate the playa hate the game

I'm gonna hate it a lot in a few years but a big part of me is glad to see that Ryan will forever be a Phillies. It's sentimental crap but hell, this is a damn game. It's all sentimental crap.

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:25:20

Wizlah wrote:This is proper zito-esque levels of dumb contract right now, isn't it? Meet our new GM. Just the same as every other dumb $#@! GM.

$#@!.

Really quite angry.

Turns out Zito is awesome again though

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:25:27

Remember when no one wanted to stay here? I miss that.

by **Napalm** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:26:14

Wait a minute wait a minute, it just hit me.
Can we question his smugness just yet? He has to know what he's doing.. he just has to

by **Woody** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:26:31

what will be awesome is when Ryan finishes this year with 29 homers and a .325 OBP. then this will really get fun :lol:

by **drsmooth** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:26:56

The Savior wrote:yeah, that part i said is probably off. what i really meant to say was "ryan $#@! howard is never going to be bad and therefore stop worrying".

yes, and that's irrelevant. The deal is decidedly likely to make the team all around him not so hot. Certainly not as good as it could be.

we've been over this kind of thing ad nauseum, it's not hard

by **Wizlah** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:28:30

jerseyhoya wrote:
Wizlah wrote:This is proper zito-esque levels of dumb contract right now, isn't it? Meet our new GM. Just the same as every other dumb $#@! GM.

$#@!.

Really quite angry.

Turns out Zito is awesome again though

stopped clock and all that.

by **drsmooth** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:28:52

Napalm wrote:Wait a minute wait a minute, it just hit me.
Can we question his smugness just yet? He has to know what he's doing.. he just has to

smug is the new bonehead

by gr » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:29:52

All because Amaro has probably spoken more recently with Wade than Gillick.

Or Amaro, has assembled a pro-DH coalition among owners and GMs in the NL, ready to strike at this year's Winter Meetings.

by **The Savior** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:30:42

drsmooth wrote:
The Savior wrote:yeah, that part i said is probably off. what i really meant to say was "ryan $#@! howard is never going to be bad and therefore stop worrying".

yes, and that's irrelevant. The deal is decidedly likely to make the team all around him not so hot. Certainly not as good as it could be.

we've been over this kind of thing ad nauseum, it's not hard

you're right. but it's no guarantee that they would be without him and the contract. i mean, for those complaining, if they're not spending properly on howard, what makes you confident they'll spend appropriately on other players?

and am i the only one that thinks this increases the odds of keeping werth? no longer will they have to project howard's contract figures. this gives them some flexibility at the end of the year to move some guys and potentially keep werth. victorino, blanton, ibanez (perhaps eat 50% of that final year?), etc used as trade bait/salary dump.

by **dajafi** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:30:58

There's some chance this turns out to be our Vernon Wells deal. But unlike Wells, who had one really good year before the Jays made a ruinous bet on illusory upside, this guy has hit at around Hall of Fame caliber for five years. He's shown more, not less commitment to conditioning and improvement since getting paid before '09, and (the sentimental part) he's a signature player of the greatest era in club history.

It's not a great deal, certainly not a bargain. He might or might not have gotten something this good on the open market after 2011; probably depends on the state of the economy at that point, honestly. But I can't say this is a total disaster or a completely illogical move either.

(I just hope he remembers how to draw a fucking walk.)

by **Eem** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:31:00

I'm going to continue enjoying the next four years of this team and then worry about the 2014 payroll when this team looks entirely different in three years.

by **Grotewold** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:31:57

The Savior wrote:and am i the only one that thinks this increases the odds of keeping werth?

Nope

by **philliesr98** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:33:14

Ok, PhilliesPhans, how does signing Howard to a trizillion dollar contract make it more likely that we sign Werth.

Because we have a concrete budget now so they know what to spend? What are we in 5th fucking grade?! do phils accountants not know what a variable is?

by **Grotewold** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:33:58

The Eeming Tree wrote:I'm going to continue enjoying the next four years of this team and then worry about the 2014 payroll when this team looks entirely different in three years.

Really. This basically guarantees us a bad-ass team for at least four more years.

I totally understand the risk, but see it as the cost of a killer run producer for the rest of the Halladay era.

by **joe table** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 15:34:18

The Savior wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
The Savior wrote:yeah, that part i said is probably off. what i really meant to say was "ryan $#@! howard is never going to be bad and therefore stop worrying".

yes, and that's irrelevant. The deal is decidedly likely to make the team all around him not so hot. Certainly not as good as it could be.

we've been over this kind of thing ad nauseum, it's not hard

you're right. but it's no guarantee that they would be without him and the contract. i mean, for those complaining, if they're not spending properly on howard, what makes you confident they'll spend appropriately on other players?

and am i the only one that thinks this increases the odds of keeping werth? no longer will they have to project howard's contract figures. this gives them some flexibility at the end of the year to move some guys and potentially keep werth. victorino, blanton, ibanez (perhaps eat 50% of that final year?), etc used as trade bait/salary dump.

It doesn't create any new flexibility at the end of the year. Howard's contract at the end of the year, and for the next year is the exact same as it was before. It does is eat up a large portion of the presumed budget for those 2012 and onward years, which leaves less room there for a potential Werth extension

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